Post by SethPost by Old JinglebollocksThe undeniable geological record shows repeated destructions of the
surface of the globe within the past eleven thousand years,
I deny that the geological record shows any such thing.
Post by Old Jinglebollockson such a scale as to make vampirism and cannibalism the only means
of survival for some time.
Especially since those didn't happen on any global scale.
Post by Old JinglebollocksIt's not so much a corrupt conspiracy by mainstream geologists. It's
just their collective, unspoken but agreed fear of seeing clearly the
scale of the destruction of the surface of the globe within recent
millennia, and the fear that it will be repeated.
More likely, it's their emphasis on truth and provability.
Seth
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I can draw your attention to the following again.
There's no use in saying it was 'written by Velikovsky' and then
making some cheap sneers at that man.
Velikovsky was quoting universally accepted sources:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_8d2hnhqgs
See especially the extracts from "Earth In Upheaval," quoted again
below as a study aid:
Best read in clearer type with images at that link, scrolling down
just over half way, but the text is given again here below -
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_8d2hnhqgs
“Earth In Upheaval” is the second volume of what I sometimes call THE
TRILOGY OF TRUTH by Immanuel Velikovsky.
The reality of our lives, the truth about our history and the truth
about our emotional state - are so far removed from what the average
person believes, so far removed from the fake debates in the media and
from the fake debates in the universities - that it is very difficult
to mention anything truthful, anything realistic, to the average
person.
How can we convey the truth to human beings when their beliefs and
their assumptions are so far removed from reality. It’s too big a leap
for average people to make. You can’t mention the truth to average
people. If you do, they’ll soon make you regret it.
By the mid-1950s, Velikovsky understood well what he was up against,
and he stated in the preface to “Earth In Upheaval:”
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“This book was not written for those who swear by the verba magistri -
the holiness of their school wisdom; and they may debate it without
reading it….”
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“Earth In Upheaval” by Immanuel Velikovsky is there if you are ready
to face it. If you cannot obtain it anywhere else, I can send a full
photocopy of it to you on request at cost price, loose unbound pages,
not for resale but for study purposes among fellow students only.
To help you to come back into reality, I am reproducing below the
entire text of Chapter One of “Earth In Upheaval” by Dr Immanuel
Velikovsky, followed by the later section titled “The Hippopotamus.”
This is a uniquely shocking book, a book which reveals that the so-
called “science” of “geology” is only a farce, that “geology” is not
science at all but is only a pack of lies, just like the Vivisection
Swindle, a symptom of our collective mental illness of scotoma-
amnesia, a denial of what the surface of the earth is so clearly
revealing to us about our true history.
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The following, then, is a mild ‘taster’ of “Earth In Upheaval” by
Immanuel Velikovsky.
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Chapter 1 of “Earth In Upheaval” by Immanuel Velikovksy, reproduced
only as a study aid to be exchanged among students of Velikovsky on a
non-profit basis.
Begin transcript, page 3 / Earth In Upheaval by Immanuel Velikovsky:
IN THE NORTH
In Alaska
In Alaska, to the north of Mount McKinley, the tallest mountain in
North America, the Tanana River joins the Yukon. From the Tanana
Valley and the valleys of its tributaries gold is mined out of gravel
and “muck.” This muck is a frozen mass of animals and trees.
F. Rainey of the University of Alaska described the scene1:
“Wide cuts, often several miles in length and sometimes as much as 140
feet in depth, are now being sluiced out along stream valleys
tributary to the Tanana in the Fairbanks District. In order to reach
gold-bearing gravel beds an over-burden of frozen silt or “muck” is
removed with hydraulic giants. This “muck” contains enormous numbers
of frozen bones of extinct animals such as the mammoth, mastodon,
super-bison and horse.”2
These animals perished in rather recent times; present estimates place
their extinction at the end of the Ice Age or in early post-glacial
times. The soil of Alaska covered their bodies together with those of
animals of species still surviving.
Under what conditions did this great slaughter take place, in which
millions upon millions of animals were torn limb from limb and mingled
with uprooted trees?
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Footnotes to page 3:
1 F. Rainey, “Archaeological Investigation in Central Alaska,”
‘American Antiquity,’ V (1940), 305.
2 The horse became extinct in pre-Columbian America; the present
horses in the Western Hemisphere are descendants of imported animals.
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F. C. Hibben of the University of New Mexico writes:
“Although the formation of the deposits of muck is not clear, there is
ample evidence that at least portions of this material were deposited
under catastrophic conditions. Mammal remains are for the most part
dismembered and disarticulated, even though some fragments yet retain,
in their frozen state, portions of ligaments, skin, hair, and flesh.
Twisted and torn trees are piled in splintered masses… At least four
considerable layers of volcanic ash may be traced in these deposits,
although they are extremely warped and distorted…”3
Could it be that a volcanic eruption killed the animal population of
Alaska, the streams carrying down into the valleys the bodies of the
slaughtered animals? A volcanic eruption would have charred the trees
but would not have uprooted and splintered them; if it killed animals,
it would not have dismembered them. The presence of volcanic ash
indicates that a volcanic eruption did take place, and repeatedly, in
four consecutive stages of the same epoch; but it is also apparent
that the trees could have been uprooted and splintered only by
hurricane or flood or a combination of both agencies. The animals
could have been dismembered only by a stupendous wave that lifted and
carried and smashed and tore and buried millions of bodies and
millions of trees. Also, the area of the catastrophe was much greater
than the action of a few volcanoes could have covered.
Muck deposits like those of the Tanana River Valley are found in the
lower reaches of the Yukon in the western part of the peninsula, on
the Koyukuk River that flows into the Yukon from the north, on the
Kuskokwim River that empties its waters into Bering Sea, and at
several places along the Arctic coast, and so “may be considered to
extend in greater or lesser thickness over all unglaciated areas of
the northern peninsula.”4
What could have caused the Arctic Sea and the Pacific Ocean to irrupt
and wash away forests with all their animal population and throw the
entire mingled mass in great heaps scattered all over Alaska, the
coast of which is longer than the Atlantic seaboard from Newfoundland
to Florida? Was it not a tectonic revolution in the earth’s crust,
that also caused the volcanoes to erupt and to cover the peninsula
with ashes?
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Footnotes to page 4:
3 F. C. Hibben, “Evidence of Early Man in Alaska,” ‘American
Antiquity,’ VIII (1943), 256.
4 Ibid.
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In various levels of the muck, stone artefacts were found “frozen *in
situ* at great depths and in apparent association” with the Ice Age
fauna, which implies that “men were contemporary with the extinct
animals in Alaska.”5 Worked flints, characteristically shaped, called
Yuma points, were repeatedly found in the Alaskan muck, one hundred
and more feet below the surface. One such spear point was found there
between a lion’s jaw and a mammoth’s tusk.6 Similar weapons were used
only a few generations ago by the Indians of the Athapascan tribe, who
camped in the upper Tanana Valley.7 “It has also been suggested that
even modern Eskimo points are remarkably Yuma-like,”8 all of which
indicates that the multitudes of torn animals and splintered forests
date from a time not many thousands of years ago.
The Ivory Islands
The arctic coast of Siberia is cold, bleak, inhospitable. The sea is
passable for ships manoeuvring between floating ice for two months of
the year; from September to the middle of July the ocean north of
Siberia is fettered, an unbroken desert of ice. Polar winds sweep over
the frozen tundras of Siberia, where no tree grows and the soil is
never tilled. In his exploratory voyage on the ship Vega in 1878, Nils
Adolf Erik Nordenskjold, the first to traverse this northern seaway
from one end to the other, travelled for weeks along the coast from
Novaya Zemlya to Cape Shelagskoi (170° 30¢ east) on the eastern
extremity of Siberia without seeing a single human being on the
shore.
Fossil tusks of the mammoth – an extinct elephant – were found in
northern Siberia and brought southward to markets at a very early
time, possibly in the days of Pliny in the first century AD. The
Chinese excelled in working delicate designs in the ivory, much of
which they obtained from the north. And from the days of the conquest
of Siberia (1582) by the Cossack Yermak under Ivan the Terrible, until
our own times, trade in mammoths’ tusks has gone on. Northern Siberia
provided more than half the world’s supply of ivory, many piano keys
and many billiard balls being made from the fossil tusks of these
mammoths.
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Footnotes to page 5:
5 Rainey, ‘American Antiquity,’ V, 307.
6 Hibben, ‘American Antiquity,’ VIII, 257.
7 Rainey, ‘American Antiquity,’ V, 301.
8 Hibben, ‘American Antiquity, VIII, 256.
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In 1797, the body of a mammoth, with flesh, skin, and hair, was found
in north-eastern Siberia, and since then bodies of other mammoths have
been unearthed from the frozen ground in various parts of that region.
The flesh had the appearance of freshly frozen beef; it was edible,
and wolves and sledge dogs fed on it without harm.1
The ground must have been frozen ever since the day of their
entombment; had it not been frozen, the bodies of the mammoths would
have putrified in a single summer, but they remained unspoiled for
some thousands of years. “It is therefore absolutely necessary to
believe that the bodies were frozen up immediately after the animals
died, and *were never once thawed* until the day of their
discovery.”2
High in the north above Siberia, six hundred miles inside the Polar
Circle, in the Arctic Ocean, lie the Liakhov Islands. Liakhov was a
hunter who, in the days of Catherine II, ventured to these islands and
brought back the report that they abounded in mammoths’ bones. “Such
was the enormous quantity of mammoths’ remains that it seemed… that
the island was actually composed of the bones and tusks of elephants,
cemented together by icy sand.”3
The New Siberian Islands, discovered in 1805 and 1806, as well as the
islands of Stolbovoi and Belkov to the west, present the same picture.
“The soil of these desolate islands is absolutely packed full of the
bones of elephants and rhinoceroses in astonishing numbers.”4 “These
islands were full of mammoth bones, and the quantity of tusks and
teeth of elephants and rhinoceroses found in the newly discovered
island of New Siberia was perfectly amazing, and surpassed anything
which had as yet been discovered.”5
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Footnotes to page 6:
1 Observation of D. F. Hertz, in B. Digby, ‘The Mammoth’ (1926), p.
9.
2 D. Gath Whitley, “The Ivory Islands in the Arctic Ocean,” ‘Journal
of the Philosophical Society of Great Britain,’ XII (1910), 35.
3 Ibid., p. 41.
4 Ibid., p. 36.
5 Ibid., p. 42.
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Did the animals come there over the ice, and for what purpose? On what
food could they have lived? Not on the lichens of the Siberian
tundras, covered by deep snow most of the year, and still less on the
moss of the polar islands, which are frozen ten months in the year.
Mammoths, members of the voracious elephant family, required huge
quantities of vegetable food every day in they year. How could large
herds of them have existed in a country like north-east Siberia, which
is regarded as the coldest place in the world, and where there was no
food for them?
Mammoth tusks have been dredged in nets from the bottom of the Arctic
Ocean; and after arctic gales the shores of the islands are strewn
with tusks cast up by the billows. This is regarded as an indication
that the bottom of the Arctic Ocean between the islands and the
mainland was dry land in the days when mammoths roamed there.
Georges Cuvier, the great French palaeontologist (1769-1832), thought
that in a vast catastrophe of continental dimensions the sea
overwhelmed the land, the herds of mammoths perished, and in a second
spasmodic movement the sea rushed away, leaving the carcasses behind.
This catastrophe must have been accompanied by a precipitous drop in
temperature; the frost seized the dead bodies and saved them from
decomposition.6 In some mammoths, when discovered, the eyeballs were
still preserved.
Charles Darwin, who denied the occurrence of continental catastrophes
in the past, in a letter to Sir Henry Howorth, admitted that the
extinction of mammoths in Siberia was for him an insoluble problem.7
J. D. Dana, the leading American geologist of the second half of the
last century, wrote: “The encasing in ice of huge elephants, and the
perfect preservation of the flesh, shows that the cold finally became
*suddenly* extreme, as of a single winter’s night, and knew no
relenting afterward.”8
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Footnotes to page 7:
6 Georges Cuvier, ‘Discours sur les revolutions de la surface du globe
et sur les changements qu’elles ont produits dans le regne
animal’ (1825).
7 Whitley, ‘Journal of the Philosophical Society of Great Britain,’
XII (1910), 56. G. F. Kunz, ‘Ivory and the Elephant’ (1916), p 236.
8 J. D. Dana, ‘Manual of Geology’ (4th ed.; 1894), p. 1007.
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In the stomachs and between the teeth of the mammoths were found
plants and grasses that do not grow now in northern Siberia. “The
contents of the stomachs have been carefully examined; they showed the
undigested food, leaves of trees now found in Southern Siberia, but a
long way from the existing deposits of ivory. Microscopic examination
of the skin showed red blood corpuscles, which was a proof not only of
a sudden death, but that the death was due to suffocation either by
gases or water, evidently the latter in this case. But the puzzle
remained to account for the sudden freezing up of this large mass of
flesh so as to preserve it for future ages.”9
What could have caused a sudden change in the temperature of the
region? Today the country does not provide food for large quadrupeds,
the soil is barren and produces only moss and fungi a few months in
the year; at that time the animals fed on plants. And not only
mammoths pastured in northern Siberia and on the islands of the Arctic
Ocean. On Kotelnoi Island “neither trees, nor shrubs, no bushes exist…
and yet the bones of elephants, rhinoceroses, buffaloes and horses are
found in this icy wilderness in numbers which defy all
calculation.”10
When Hedenstrom and Sannikov discovered the New Siberian Islands in
1806, they found in the “desolate wilderness” of polar sea the remains
of “enormous petrified forests.” These forests could be seen tens of
miles away. “The trunks of the trees in these ruins of ancient forests
were partly standing upright and partly lying horizontally buried in
the frozen soil. Their extent was very great.”11 Hedenstrom described
them as follows: “On the southern coast of New Siberia are found the
remarkable wood hills [piles of trunks]. They are 30 fathoms [180
feet] high, and consist of horizontal strata of sandstone, alternating
with strata of bituminous beams or trunks of trees. On ascending these
hills, fossilised charcoal is everywhere met with, covered apparently
with ashes; but, on closer examination, this ash is also found to be a
petrifaction, and so hard that it can scarcely be scraped off with a
knife.”12 Some trunks are fixed perpendicularly in the sandstone, with
broken ends.
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Footnotes to page 8:
9 Whitley, ‘Journal of the Philosophical Society of Great Britain,’
XII(1910), 56.
10 Ibid., p. 50.
11 Ibid., p 43.
12 F. P. Wrangell, ‘Narrative of an Expedition to Siberia and the
Polar Sea,’ (1841), note to p. 173 of the American edition.
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In 1829 the German scientist G. A. Erman went to the Laikhov and the
New Siberian Islands to measure there the magnetic field of the earth.
He described the soil as full of the bones of elephants, rhinoceroses
and buffaloes. Of the piles of wood he wrote: “In New Siberia
[Island], on the declivities facing the south, lie hills 250 or 300
feet high, formed of driftwood, the ancient origin of which, as well
as of the fossil wood in the tundras, anterior to the history of the
Earth in its present state, strikes at once even the most uneducated
hunters… Other hills on the same island, and on Kotelnoi, which lies
further to the west, are heaped up to an equal height with skeletons
of pachyderms [elephants, rhinoceroses], bisons, etc., which are
cemented together by frozen sand as well as by strata and veins of
ice… On the summit of the hills they [the trunks of trees] lie flung
upon one another in the wildest disorder, forced upright in spite of
gravitation, and with their tops broken off or crushed, as if they had
been thrown with great violence from the south on a bank, and there
heaped up.”13
Eduard von Toll repeatedly visited the New Siberian Islands from 1885
to 1902, when he perished in the Arctic Ocean. He examined the “wood
hills” and “found them to consist of carbonised trunks of trees, with
impressions of leaves and fruits.”14 On Maloi, one of the group of
Liakhov Islands, Toll found bones of mammoths and other animals
together with the trunks of fossil trees, with leaves and cones. “This
striking discovery proves that in the days when the mammoths and
rhinoceroses lived in northern Siberia, these desolate islands were
covered with great forests, and bore a luxuriant vegetation.”15
A hurricane, apparently, uprooted the trees of Siberia and flung them
to the extreme north; mountainous waves of the ocean piled them in
huge hills and some agent of a bituminous nature transformed them into
charcoal, either before or after they were deposited and cemented in
drifted masses of sand that became baked into sandstone.
These petrified forests were swept from northern Siberia into the
ocean, and together with bones of animals and drifted sand built the
islands. It may be that not all the charred trees and the mammoths and
other animals were destroyed and swept away in a single catastrophe.
It is more probable that one huge cemetery of animals and trees came
flying through the air on the crest of a retreating tidal wave to
settle astride another, older cemetery, deep in the Polar Circle.
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Footnotes to page 9:
13 G. A. Erman, ‘Travels in Siberia’ (1848), II, 376, 383.
14 Whitley, ‘Journal of the Philosophical Society of Great Britain,’
XII (1910), 49.
15 Ibid., p. 50.
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The scientists who explored the “muck” beds of Alaska have not
reflected upon the similarity in appearance of animal remains there
and in the polar regions of Siberia and on the arctic islands, and
have therefore not discussed a common cause. The exploration of the
New Siberian Islands, one thousand miles away from Alaska, was the
work of eighteenth- and nineteenth-century academicians who followed
the hunters of fossil ivory; the exploration of Alaskan soil was the
work of twentieth-century scientists who followed the gold-digging
machines.
These two observations – one old, one new – came from the north.
Before presenting many more from all parts of the world, I shall
review a few dominant theories on the history of our earth and its
animal kingdom. We shall read in brief, in the original statements of
the authors, how the earlier naturalists explained the phenomena; how,
subsequently, the same phenomena were interpreted in terms of slow
evolution; and how in the last fourscore years more and more facts
have presented themselves that do not square with the picture of a
peaceful world moulded in a slow and uneventful process.
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End of Chapter 1 of “Earth In Upheaval” by Immanuel Velikovsky,
reproduced for study purposes only, to be shared among students of
Velikovsky on a non-profit basis.
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THE HIPPOPOTAMUS
The hippopotamus inhabits the larger rivers and marshes of Africa. It
is not found in Europe or America save in zoological gardens where
specimens of it wallow most of the time in pools, submerging their
huge bodies in muddy water. Next to the elephant it is the largest of
the land animals. Bones of hippopotami are found in the soil of
Europe as far north as Yorkshire in England.
Lyell gave the following explanation for the presence of the
hippopotamus in Europe:
“The geologist …may freely speculate on the time when herds of
hippopotami issued from North African rivers, such as the Nile, and
swam northward in summer along the coasts of the Mediterranean, or
even occasionally visited islands near the shore. Here and there they
may have landed to graze or browse, tarrying awhile, and afterwards
continuing their course northward. Others may have swum in a few
summer days from rivers in the south of Spain or France to the Somme,
Thames or Severn, making timely retreat to the south before the snow
and ice set in.”
An Argonaut expedition of hippopotami from the rivers of Africa to the
isles of Albion sounds like an idyll.
In the Victorian cave near Settle, in West Yorkshire, 1,450 feet above
sea level, under twelve feet of clay deposit containing some well-
scratched boulders, were found numerous remains of the mammoth,
rhinoceros, hippopotamus, bison, hyena and other animals.
In northern Wales in the Vale of Clwyd, in numerous caves remains of
the hippopotamus lay together with those of the mammoth, the
rhinoceros and the cave lion. In the cave of Cae Gwyn in the Vale of
Clwyd, “during the excavations it became clear that the bones had been
greatly disturbed by water action.” The floor of the cavern was
“covered afterwards by clays and sand containing foreign pebbles.
This seemed to prove that the caverns, now 400 feet above sea level
must have been submerged subsequently to their occupation by the
animals and by man… The contents of the cavern must have been
dispersed by marine action during the great submergence in mid-glacial
times, and afterwards covered by marine sands…” writes H. B. Woodward.
Hippopotami not only travelled during the summer nights to England and
Wales, but also climbed hills to die peacefully among other animals in
the caves, and the ice, approaching softly, tenderly spread little
pebbles over the travellers resting in peace, and the land with its
hills and caverns in a slow lullaby movement sank below the level of
the sea and gentle streams caressed the dead bodies and covered them
with rosy sand.
Three assumptions were made by the exponents of uniformity: sometime
not long ago the climate of the British Isles was so warm that
hippopotami used to visit there in summer; the British Isles subsided
so much that caves in the hills became submerged; the land rose again
to its present height – and all this without any action of a violent
nature.
Or was it, perchance, a mountain-high wave that crossed the land and
poured into the caves and filled them with marine sand and gravel? Or
did the ground submerge and then emerge again in some paroxysm of
nature in which the climate also changed? Did the animals run away at
the sign of the approaching catastrophe, and did the trespassing sea
follow and suffocate them in the caves that were their last refuge and
became the place of their burial? Or did the sea sweep them from
Africa, throw them in heaps on the British Isles and in other places,
and cover them with earth and marine debris? The entrances to some
caves were too narrow and the caves themselves too “shrunk” to have
been places of refuge for such huge animals as hippopotami and
rhinoceroses. Whichever of these answers or surmises is correct, and
whether the hippopotami lived in England or were thrown there by the
ocean, whether they sought refuge in caves or the caves are but their
graves, their bones on the British Isles, as also on the bottom of the
seas surrounding these islands, are signs of some great natural
change.
“THE HIPPOPOTAMUS” - from “Earth in Upheaval” by Immanuel Velikovsky.
Reproduced with reasonably presumed permission as a study note for
fellow students of Velikovsky to illustrate the wealth of evidence
that catastrophes (=poleshifts =‘the end of the world’) have occurred
repeatedly within historical times.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_8d2hnhqgs
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