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Hospitals Almost Always Overcharge
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Ann
2010-01-30 03:24:32 UTC
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"American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars
annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are
honest errors, many are deliberate.

That's because hospital bills are next to impossible for consumers to
understand, which means hospitals can hide improper charges behind
mysterious medical terminology and baffling codes. "
http://www.thirdage.com/general-money/how-to-avoid-outrageous-hospital-overcharges

"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost
$2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what happens with many medical
bills.
When you're sick and need help, avoiding mistakes has to be near the
top of the priority list for the hospital.
But when it comes to giving you an accurate bill, hospitals are
apparently a bit more lax."
http://www.kktv.com/unclassified/2035602.html

"What percent of those mistakes favor the hospital? According to this
medical billing advocate, virtually all of them. But the biggest
problem? Just flat-out overcharging. Many hospitals will charge you
three or four times their cost. They make a big profit off of you. You
pay in order to protect your credit rating. Learn how you can fight
back and protect your credit."
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/


TAMPA, FL -- Being rushed to the hospital, or going to the hospital
for any type of medical procedure can become costly quick.

Sheralee Faith doesn't have medical insurance. She went to a central
Florida hospital emergency room after she bumped heads with her
Labrador and got a bloody nose.

"He said ok go home and take a Tylenol and you'll be fine," Faith
says. The bill for that trip to the ER amounted to $1,300.

"Patients are just shocked by the cost of their care," says medical
bill negotiator Dr. Jasper Becker.

Faith says she really didn't understand some of the charges on her
bill, so she called Becker, with Medical Bill Advocates of America.

"I can often convince the billing dept that they have made an error
in the billing," Becker says. It’s his job to negotiate down your bill
by looking for errors like double charging, over charging, or charging
patients for treatments hey never received.

"It was a level four ER visit which later I found out was a facial
contusion, a very serious condition. Later I also found out I was
charged for an IV which I did not receive and an X-ray which I did not
receive," Faith says.

In the end, Becker worked down Faith’s bill to just $100 dollars. He
says he's saved patients thousands of dollars, working one bill down
from $40,000 to $4,000.

"I don't think a person should pay any medical bills until they have
looked them over carefully and if they don't know what something means
go down and find out what something means,” Becker says.

And, that’s the doctor’s golden rule, never pay for a bill that you
don’t understand.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/Is-your-hospital-overcharging-you/kxWPb6Hs3EyQkwzSEDso9A.cspx
Rod Speed
2010-01-30 03:53:34 UTC
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Mine didnt. I didnt even get charged for the TV, the only thing I had to pay
for was for the newspaper and that wasnt paid to the hospital anyway.
Post by Ann
"American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars
annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are
honest errors, many are deliberate.
That's because hospital bills are next to impossible for consumers to
understand, which means hospitals can hide improper charges behind
mysterious medical terminology and baffling codes. "
http://www.thirdage.com/general-money/how-to-avoid-outrageous-hospital-overcharges
"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost
$2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what happens with many medical
bills.
When you're sick and need help, avoiding mistakes has to be near the
top of the priority list for the hospital.
But when it comes to giving you an accurate bill, hospitals are
apparently a bit more lax."
http://www.kktv.com/unclassified/2035602.html
"What percent of those mistakes favor the hospital? According to this
medical billing advocate, virtually all of them. But the biggest
problem? Just flat-out overcharging. Many hospitals will charge you
three or four times their cost. They make a big profit off of you. You
pay in order to protect your credit rating. Learn how you can fight
back and protect your credit."
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/
TAMPA, FL -- Being rushed to the hospital, or going to the hospital
for any type of medical procedure can become costly quick.
Sheralee Faith doesn't have medical insurance. She went to a central
Florida hospital emergency room after she bumped heads with her
Labrador and got a bloody nose.
"He said ok go home and take a Tylenol and you'll be fine," Faith
says. The bill for that trip to the ER amounted to $1,300.
"Patients are just shocked by the cost of their care," says medical
bill negotiator Dr. Jasper Becker.
Faith says she really didn't understand some of the charges on her
bill, so she called Becker, with Medical Bill Advocates of America.
"I can often convince the billing dept that they have made an error
in the billing," Becker says. It’s his job to negotiate down your bill
by looking for errors like double charging, over charging, or charging
patients for treatments hey never received.
"It was a level four ER visit which later I found out was a facial
contusion, a very serious condition. Later I also found out I was
charged for an IV which I did not receive and an X-ray which I did not
receive," Faith says.
In the end, Becker worked down Faith’s bill to just $100 dollars. He
says he's saved patients thousands of dollars, working one bill down
from $40,000 to $4,000.
"I don't think a person should pay any medical bills until they have
looked them over carefully and if they don't know what something means
go down and find out what something means,” Becker says.
And, that’s the doctor’s golden rule, never pay for a bill that you
don’t understand.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/Is-your-hospital-overcharging-you/kxWPb6Hs3EyQkwzSEDso9A.cspx
Frito Pendejo
2010-01-30 10:00:48 UTC
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Post by Ann
"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost
$2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what happens with many medical
bills.
The problem is that the consumer has no idea what a medical procedure
should cost, so is unable to challenge overbilling.

Unlike other consumer services, hospitals refuse to reveal the cost of a
given procedure beforehand. If you have no insurance coverage, you
might get an estimate AFTER you've paid for an examination, but this
precludes shopping around for the best price.

Instead of imposing national health care, the government could help
reduce medical costs by mandating pricing transparency, so that doctors
and hospitals would be forced to compete with each other for patients.
Rod Speed
2010-01-30 17:55:30 UTC
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"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost $2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what
happens with many medical bills.
The problem is that the consumer has no idea what a medical procedure should cost, so is unable to challenge
overbilling.
Unlike other consumer services, hospitals refuse to reveal the cost
of a given procedure beforehand. If you have no insurance coverage,
you might get an estimate AFTER you've paid for an examination, but
this precludes shopping around for the best price.
Instead of imposing national health care, the government could help
reduce medical costs by mandating pricing transparency, so that doctors and hospitals would be forced to compete with
each other for patients.
Cant possibly do anything like as much prices wise.

You wont even get universal agreement on what treatment is
needed, just like you dont with a car that needs repairs either.
Leon Pietro
2010-01-30 16:17:28 UTC
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Post by Ann
"American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars
annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are
honest errors, many are deliberate.
That's because hospital bills are next to impossible for consumers to
understand, which means hospitals can hide improper charges behind
mysterious medical terminology and baffling codes. "
http://www.thirdage.com/general-money/how-to-avoid-outrageous-hospital-overcharges
"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost
$2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what happens with many medical
bills.
When you're sick and need help, avoiding mistakes has to be near the
top of the priority list for the hospital.
But when it comes to giving you an accurate bill, hospitals are
apparently a bit more lax."
http://www.kktv.com/unclassified/2035602.html
"What percent of those mistakes favor the hospital? According to this
medical billing advocate, virtually all of them. But the biggest
problem? Just flat-out overcharging. Many hospitals will charge you
three or four times their cost. They make a big profit off of you. You
pay in order to protect your credit rating. Learn how you can fight
back and protect your credit."
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/
TAMPA, FL -- Being rushed to the hospital, or going to the hospital
for any type of medical procedure can become costly quick.
Sheralee Faith doesn't have medical insurance. She went to a central
Florida hospital emergency room after she bumped heads with her
Labrador and got a bloody nose.
"He said ok go home and take a Tylenol and you'll be fine," Faith
says. The bill for that trip to the ER amounted to $1,300.
"Patients are just shocked by the cost of their care," says medical
bill negotiator Dr. Jasper Becker.
Faith says she really didn't understand some of the charges on her
bill, so she called Becker, with Medical Bill Advocates of America.
"I can often convince the billing dept that they have made an error
in the billing," Becker says. It’s his job to negotiate down your bill
by looking for errors like double charging, over charging, or charging
patients for treatments hey never received.
"It was a level four ER visit which later I found out was a facial
contusion, a very serious condition. Later I also found out I was
charged for an IV which I did not receive and an X-ray which I did not
receive," Faith says.
In the end, Becker worked down Faith’s bill to just $100 dollars. He
says he's saved patients thousands of dollars, working one bill down
from $40,000 to $4,000.
"I don't think a person should pay any medical bills until they have
looked them over carefully and if they don't know what something means
go down and find out what something means,” Becker says.
And, that’s the doctor’s golden rule, never pay for a bill that you
don’t understand.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/Is-your-hospital-overcharging-you/kxWPb6Hs3EyQkwzSEDso9A.cspx
Hospitals charge as much as they can get away with. There is no way to
check on how accurate their bills are unless you hire a professional.
And they have every incentive to inflate bills: Their executives get
bonuses for increasing their bottom line.
Scott in SoCal
2010-01-30 18:21:57 UTC
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Post by Leon Pietro
Hospitals charge as much as they can get away with. There is no way to
check on how accurate their bills are unless you hire a professional.
So name a professional that I can hire to go over my medical bills and
weed out all the bogus overcharges.
RGrannus
2010-01-30 20:55:56 UTC
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Post by Scott in SoCal
Post by Leon Pietro
Hospitals charge as much as they can get away with. There is no way to
check on how accurate their bills are unless you hire a professional.
So name a professional that I can hire to go over my medical bills and
weed out all the bogus overcharges.
A number of companies and consumer organizations have been established
in recent years. Some will offer advocacy and advice. But a number
of companies will audit your bill to find overcharging and unjustified
charges that force the provider to lower the bill. Most work on a
contingency basis: they get a percentage of the amount they saved
you. In the vast majority of cases, they will be able to lower the
bill; but if they can't, you pay them nothing. Don't engage any
company that requires an up-front fee. Some of these organizations
are:

http://www.hospitalbillauditing.com/Hospital_Bill_Review.html
http://www.southwestmedreview.com/index.html
http://www.erwaxman.com/How_Our_Service_Works.html
http://www.medicalcostadvocate.com/landing.aspx?gclid=COjZ_5WC1pwCFeRL5QodWDEoIw
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/26/eveningnews/main2610217.shtml

RGrannus
http://sites.google.com/site/rgrannus/
Scott in SoCal
2010-01-31 04:10:49 UTC
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Post by RGrannus
Post by Scott in SoCal
So name a professional that I can hire to go over my medical bills and
weed out all the bogus overcharges.
A number of companies and consumer organizations have been established
in recent years. Some will offer advocacy and advice. But a number
of companies will audit your bill to find overcharging and unjustified
charges that force the provider to lower the bill. Most work on a
contingency basis: they get a percentage of the amount they saved
you. In the vast majority of cases, they will be able to lower the
bill; but if they can't, you pay them nothing. Don't engage any
company that requires an up-front fee. Some of these organizations
http://www.hospitalbillauditing.com/Hospital_Bill_Review.html
http://www.southwestmedreview.com/index.html
http://www.erwaxman.com/How_Our_Service_Works.html
http://www.medicalcostadvocate.com/landing.aspx?gclid=COjZ_5WC1pwCFeRL5QodWDEoIw
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/26/eveningnews/main2610217.shtml
Good info, thank you.

RGrannus
2010-01-30 21:03:34 UTC
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Post by Ann
"American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars
annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are
honest errors, many are deliberate.
That's because hospital bills are next to impossible for consumers to
understand, which means hospitals can hide improper charges behind
mysterious medical terminology and baffling codes. "
http://www.thirdage.com/general-money/how-to-avoid-outrageous-hospita...
Post by Ann
"Suppose you got a bill for $5,000 for service that should have cost
$2,000? Stacy Johnson takes a look at what happens with many medical
bills.
When you're sick and need help, avoiding mistakes has to be near the
top of the priority list for the hospital.
But when it comes to giving you an accurate bill, hospitals are
apparently a bit more lax."http://www.kktv.com/unclassified/2035602.html
"What percent of those mistakes favor the hospital? According to this
medical billing advocate, virtually all of them. But the biggest
problem? Just flat-out overcharging. Many hospitals will charge you
three or four times their cost. They make a big profit off of you. You
pay in order to protect your credit rating. Learn how you can fight
back and protect your credit."
http://www.hospitalvictims.com/
Post by Ann
TAMPA, FL -- Being rushed to the hospital, or going to the hospital
for any type of medical procedure can become costly quick.
Sheralee Faith doesn't have medical insurance. She went to a central
Florida hospital emergency room after she bumped heads with her
Labrador and got a bloody nose.
"He said ok go home and take a Tylenol and you'll be fine," Faith
says. The bill for that trip to the ER amounted to $1,300.
"Patients are just shocked by the cost of their care," says medical
bill negotiator Dr. Jasper Becker.
Faith says she really didn't understand some of the charges on her
bill, so she called Becker, with Medical Bill Advocates of America.
"I can often convince the billing dept that they have made an error
in the billing," Becker says. It’s his job to negotiate down your bill
by looking for errors like double charging, over charging, or charging
patients for treatments hey never received.
"It was a level four ER visit which later I found out was a facial
contusion, a very serious condition. Later I also found out I was
charged for an IV which I did not receive and an X-ray which I did not
receive," Faith says.
In the end, Becker worked down Faith’s bill to just $100 dollars. He
says he's saved patients thousands of dollars, working one bill down
from $40,000 to $4,000.
"I don't think a person should pay any medical bills until they have
looked them over carefully and if they don't know what something means
go down and find out what something means,” Becker says.
And, that’s the doctor’s golden rule, never pay for a bill that you
don’t understand.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/Is-your-hospital-overc...

Hospitals (and many doctors) are as greedy and corrupt as the scammers
in the financial industry. They can just hide it better.

RGrannus
http://sites.google.com/site/rgrannus/
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