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ho, ho, ho, innocent granny on Death Roq
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thedarkman
2010-02-26 22:35:49 UTC
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They make your heart bleed, they've been going on about this all day.
It was all her incompetent lawyer's fault, she was framed by the
wicked Feds, ad nauseum.

Here is what the American courts think of this slag. Some innocent,
huh?

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C08/08-70049-CV0.wpd.pdf
Special Care
2010-02-26 23:59:27 UTC
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Well I didn't hear anyone "going on about it all day."

I try to insulate myself from the fake debates.

Legally it's straightforward.

However, lawyers need to pay the rent and take their girlfriends out
to dinner, hence the endless fake debates and gobbledygook discussions
and courtroom dramas before the deed is finally done.

The media cash in too, in the Land of the Free, where children and
teenagers have no legal protection against physical assault by
parents, teachers and detention officers.

There's no money to be made from just doing it after sentence is
passed.

And no glory and election fodder.
John Turner
2010-02-27 16:20:31 UTC
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Post by thedarkman
They make your heart bleed, they've been going on about this all day.
It was all her incompetent lawyer's fault, she was framed by the
wicked Feds, ad nauseum.
Here is what the American courts think of this slag. Some innocent,
huh?
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C08/08-70049-CV0.wpd.pdf
Fry the bitch!

John.
The Todal
2010-02-27 19:09:57 UTC
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Post by thedarkman
They make your heart bleed, they've been going on about this all day.
It was all her incompetent lawyer's fault, she was framed by the
wicked Feds, ad nauseum.
Here is what the American courts think of this slag. Some innocent,
huh?
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C08/08-70049-CV0.wpd.pdf
What's a lick?

"On the night of Sunday, May 13, the group went to the apartment complex to
conduct the lick but soon aborted their attempt. Afterwards, Josie Anderson
and Caston decided that they would no longer participate. Carty nonetheless
persisted in her plan, and on Tuesday, May 15, she convinced Robinson, his
friend Williams, and Josie's cousin Gerald Anderson to participate in the
lick".
Steve Walker
2010-02-27 20:43:01 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by thedarkman
They make your heart bleed, they've been going on about this all day.
It was all her incompetent lawyer's fault, she was framed by the
wicked Feds, ad nauseum.
Here is what the American courts think of this slag. Some innocent,
huh?
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C08/08-70049-CV0.wpd.pdf
What's a lick?
"On the night of Sunday, May 13, the group went to the apartment complex
to conduct the lick but soon aborted their attempt. Afterwards, Josie
Anderson and Caston decided that they would no longer participate. Carty
nonetheless persisted in her plan, and on Tuesday, May 15, she convinced
Robinson, his friend Williams, and Josie's cousin Gerald Anderson to
participate in the lick".
a violent home invasion/robbery
Cynic
2010-03-01 20:07:10 UTC
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Post by The Todal
What's a lick?
"On the night of Sunday, May 13, the group went to the apartment complex to
conduct the lick but soon aborted their attempt. Afterwards, Josie Anderson
and Caston decided that they would no longer participate. Carty nonetheless
persisted in her plan, and on Tuesday, May 15, she convinced Robinson, his
friend Williams, and Josie's cousin Gerald Anderson to participate in the
lick".
Explained a few sentences previously :-
"
On Sunday, May 13, Carty began recruiting a group of people to help
her abduct the baby. She asked Robinson, Josie Anderson, and Marvin
"Junebug" Caston to assist in a "lick" -a burglary wherein they would
break into an apartment and steal what she claimed was approximately
200 pounds of marijuana.
"
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Cynic
The Todal
2010-03-02 12:05:04 UTC
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Post by The Todal
What's a lick?
"On the night of Sunday, May 13, the group went to the apartment complex to
conduct the lick but soon aborted their attempt. Afterwards, Josie Anderson
and Caston decided that they would no longer participate. Carty nonetheless
persisted in her plan, and on Tuesday, May 15, she convinced Robinson, his
friend Williams, and Josie's cousin Gerald Anderson to participate in the
lick".
Explained a few sentences previously :-
"
On Sunday, May 13, Carty began recruiting a group of people to help
her abduct the baby. She asked Robinson, Josie Anderson, and Marvin
"Junebug" Caston to assist in a "lick" -a burglary wherein they would
break into an apartment and steal what she claimed was approximately
200 pounds of marijuana.
"
Yes, I see that now, but it still isn't properly defined. A lick can't be "a
burglary wherein they would break into an apartment and steal marijuana" so
it must be something like "a robbery" or "a job" (as in The Italian Job).
Slang, either criminal slang or American slang. I doubt if a British court
would use slang in that way. Our judges are sometimes said to be out of
touch with reality in not understanding contemporary slang, but a judgment
ought to stand the test of time and it is a problem if language is used
which 50 years later makes no sense to the reader.

Be that as it may, the Observer had an article about the case, last Sunday,
which argued very strongly that she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
I don't know whether that is so, but when a person faces the death penalty I
am more inclined to sympathise with the defendant than with anyone who
gloats over their predicament saying "ho, ho, ho, innocent granny on death
row".
thedarkman
2010-03-02 15:34:05 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Be that as it may, the Observer had an article about the case, last Sunday,
which argued very strongly that she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
Written by that wanker David Rose, no doubt.

Here is what the Texas Court said:

http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/HTMLopinionInfo.asp?OpinionID=12448

See also:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/DN-metrofiller_19met.ART.State.Edition1.4be54a6.html

And here is my summary

http://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/linda_carty_poem.html

Reprieve, Billy Bragg and all the usual suspects are simply parroting
lies.
The Todal
2010-03-02 17:05:49 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Be that as it may, the Observer had an article about the case, last Sunday,
which argued very strongly that she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
Written by that wanker David Rose, no doubt.
No doubt? No doubt?

There is a reasonable doubt. It wasn't actually David Rose at all. So, Mr
Baron, now that you know that your certainty is clouded by reasonable
doubts, are you willing to revise your testimony? Do you wear spectacles at
conversational distances? Is it possible that you have rushed to
unwarranted conclusions?
Post by thedarkman
http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/HTMLopinionInfo.asp?OpinionID=12448
A worthwhile read, because it's a judgment of a court.
Post by thedarkman
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/DN-metrofiller_19met.ART.State.Edition1.4be54a6.html
The rednecks enjoy an execution, it brightens their day. But what's this?
"The British government, which opposes capital punishment, has been involved
in her appeals".

This implies that the British government supports *any* appeal on behalf of
a death row inmate. But that isn't true. And the newspaper report, loyal to
the spirit of Texas, chooses not to describe the doubts about the conviction
in detail.
Post by thedarkman
And here is my summary
Rotten poem snipped. It's a rotten poem with rotten sentiments and you
probably ought to be assessed by a mental health practitioner, with
attitudes like yours. You're more Ian Brady than Clarence Darrow.

And here is the Observer article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/28/linda-carty-innocent-death-row

I'm not convinced that she's innocent of murder. But she probably had a
less than impressive legal counsel to represent her, and there is enough
doubt to make it obscene that she should be killed by the state.
thedarkman
2010-03-04 15:54:22 UTC
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Post by thedarkman
Post by The Todal
Be that as it may, the Observer had an article about the case, last Sunday,
which argued very strongly that she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
Written by that wanker David Rose, no doubt.
No doubt?  No doubt?
There is a reasonable doubt. It wasn't actually David Rose at all.  So, Mr
Baron, now that you know that your certainty is clouded by reasonable
doubts, are you willing to revise your testimony?  Do you wear spectacles at
conversational distances?  Is it possible that you have rushed to
unwarranted conclusions?
Post by thedarkman
http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/HTMLopinionInfo.asp?Opinio...
A worthwhile read, because it's a judgment of a court.
Post by thedarkman
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories...
The rednecks enjoy an execution, it brightens their day. But what's this?
"The British government, which opposes capital punishment, has been involved
in her appeals".
This implies that the British government supports *any* appeal on behalf of
a death row inmate. But that isn't true. And the newspaper report, loyal to
the spirit of Texas, chooses not to describe the doubts about the conviction
in detail.
Post by thedarkman
And here is my summary
Rotten poem snipped.  It's a rotten poem with rotten sentiments and you
probably ought to be assessed by a mental health practitioner, with
attitudes like yours. You're more Ian Brady than Clarence Darrow.
Read the article, it's a better attempt than most of the crud I've
read about her but it doesn't convince me, and it won't convince the
people who matter.

The appeal judgment says she wanted the other occupants of the
apartment killed. Also, her ex-lover or whatever testified against
her. She was no abused woman that's for sure.

She is claiming what I call the Satpal Ram defence - it was my
lawyer's fault. Where is Ram now?


Read the appeal judgment - and ignore the lies Reprieve are pumping
out.

Great poem!

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