Discussion:
Reverse Discrimination-Is the Gettysburg Address Now Irrelevant?
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Marcus Aurelius
2013-05-09 00:21:49 UTC
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According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, reverse
discrimination is:" discrimination against whites or males (as in
employment or education) "
By it's very definition "affirmative action" is both racist and
sexist.

The following is the Gettysburg Address which President Abraham
Lincoln gave on Thursday November 19, 1863 at the dedication of the
Soldiers National Cemetery in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation,
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are
met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a
portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here
gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting
and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we
can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who
struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add
or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say
here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they
who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us
to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from
these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly
resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation,
under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of
the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the
earth."

The following is the URL of the Wikipedia website which describes the
"Gettysburg Address":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address

Unfortunately, the political establishment of the United States
government has forgotten the lessons of the American Civil War and the
Gettysburg Address.
Rather, it continues on the path of discrimination and privilege based
upon race, gender, color and national origin through affirmative
action and other overt and covert laws and policies.
As per the Gettysburg address, it is for men's rights activists and
other freedom loving citizens" It is for us the living, rather, to be
dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have
thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated
to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we
take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last
full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead
shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a
new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

What is the legal definition of " Reverse discrimination"?
"Employment programs required by federal statutes and regulations
designed to remedy discriminatory practices in hiring minority group
members; i.e., positive steps designed to eliminate existing and
continuing discrimination, to remedy lingering effects of past
discrimination, and to create systems and procedures to prevent future
discrimination; commonly based on population percentages of minority
groups in a particular area. Factors considered are race, color, sex,
creed, and age."(Free online Law Dictionary:http://legal-
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action)
The Free Online Law Dictionary discusses the history of "affirmative
action" and it's definition at the web page of the following URL:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action

Affirmative action is not limited to employment but, also, includes
education, the receipt of social services, and many other
governmental, private, and other benefits, freedoms, and privileges.
It can even mean the exclusion of Caucasians and/or men even if the
same are better qualified by reason of education, expertise, or
temperament.
Legal arguments against affirmative action include those that assert
that it is in violation of the equal protection clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution as well as
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Do "Affirmative Action" and similar laws amount to "Bills of
Attainder" and "Ex Post Facto" laws forbidden by the U.S.
Constitution?
It appears to me that they do.
What is a Bill of Attainder?
"A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of
attainder) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of
persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a
judicial trial."( "Wikipedia, Bill of Attainder,http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The Wikipedia web site describing Bills of Attainder further describes
how the U.S. Constitution forbids Bills of Attainder and the history
of Bills of Attainder and laws against them:
The United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder
under Article I, Section 9. The provision forbidding state law bills
of attainder, Article I, Section 10, reflects the importance that the
framers attached to this issue.

"Within the U.S. Constitution, the clauses forbidding attainder laws
serve two purposes. First, they reinforced the separation of powers,
by forbidding the legislature to perform judicial or executive
functions—since the outcome of any such acts of legislature would of
necessity take the form of a bill of attainder. Second, they embody
the concept of due process, which was partially reinforced by Fifth
Amendment to the Constitution. The text of the Constitution, Article
I, Section 9; Clause 3 is "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law
shall be passed".
The constitution of every State also expressly forbids bills of
attainder. For example, Wisconsin's constitution Article I, Section 12
reads:
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the
obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall
work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate. Contrast this with
the subtly more modern variation of the Texas version: Article 1
(Titled Bill of Rights) Section 16, entitled Bills of Attainder; Ex
Post Facto or Retroactive Laws: Impairing Obligation of Contracts: "No
bill of attainder, ex post facto law, retroactive law, or any law
impairing the obligation of contracts, shall be made". (Wikipedia,
"Bills of Attainder",http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)

The following is the URL of a VDARE website entitled: " When Quotas
Replace Merit, Everybody Suffers":

http://www.vdare.com/articles/when-quotas-replace-merit-everybody-suffers

This article, by Peter Brimelow, describes the deleterious affects of
"affirmative action" on our society, culture, economy, and body
politic.

Here is a partial quote from the same:

" If quotas are clogging the Clinton transition, what are they doing
to the economy? The subject went unmentioned, needless to say, at
Clinton's two-day economic summit in Little Rock. In fact, it has gone
virtually undiscussed throughout the quarter-century of bureaucratic
and judicial decrees that have effectively transformed the color-
blind 1964 Civil Rights Act into a pervasive quota system.

Ironically, just as socialism has collapsed across the globe, the
leading capitalist power has adopted a peculiarly American
neosocialism, putting politics (and lawyers) in command of its
workplace, albeit on the pretext of equity rather than efficiency.
Says Edward Potter of the Washington, D.C.-based Employment Policy
Foundation: "We have, without doubt, the most far-reaching equal
employment laws found anywhere in the world."

Before applauding Potter's sweeping statement, stop for a minute and
ponder this question: What does the replacement of merit with quotas
cost the American people? The answer is: plenty. The impact may easily
have already depressed GNP by a staggering four percentage points—
about as much as we spend on the entire public school system.

Quotas are not the law of the land, exactly. They are explicitly
banned in both the 1964 and 1991 Civil Rights Acts. Nevertheless,
corporate America has been terrorized by the legal legerdemain whereby
any statistical disparity between work force and population is equated
with intentional discrimination. Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
deadrat
2013-05-09 00:36:10 UTC
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On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Marcus Aurelius wrote:
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males. Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
K Wills
2013-05-09 14:44:32 UTC
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Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists) have been using
racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie, but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything. Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
--
Heartbreak is a burden to us all. Pity the man with two.
deadrat
2013-05-09 16:24:19 UTC
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Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists)
No one really cares about your fantasies about your straw-man political
opponents.
Post by K Wills
have been using racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie,
Your posting history shows you think a lot of nonsense.
Post by K Wills
but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything.
You're dumber that a hermetically-sealed box of ball-peen hammers.
Post by K Wills
Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
Do ya now? Please present evidence that these alleged three Latinos are
and one alleged Latina actually own the businesses you claim they do.
Post by K Wills
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
Bwahahahahahahaha! Please don't waste time trying to tell me that
you're not suffering from advanced cluelessness and incurable literal
mindedness.

That whooshing sound you heard? It was the point going over your head.
Again.

Still.
K Wills
2013-05-11 09:30:33 UTC
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Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists)
No one really cares about your fantasies about your straw-man political
opponents.
Then it's fortunate I don't offer any.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
have been using racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie,
Your posting history shows you think a lot of nonsense.
How very sad that you see the truth as nonsense.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything.
You're dumber that a hermetically-sealed box of ball-peen hammers.
You made the claim.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
Do ya now? Please present evidence that these alleged three Latinos are
and one alleged Latina actually own the businesses you claim they do.
Your avoidance was expected, though I had honestly hoped you
wouldn't use it.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
Bwahahahahahahaha! Please don't waste time trying to tell me that
you're not suffering from advanced cluelessness and incurable literal
mindedness.
Whereas I am not, I will not.
Post by deadrat
That whooshing sound you heard? It was the point going over your head.
Again.
Again, I expected your avoidance, but honestly hoped you wouldn't
use it.
Post by deadrat
Still.
Are you going to present the evidence that supports your claim,
or continue to play avoidance games?
--
"Mass genocide is the most exhausting practice one can engage in.
Next to soccer."
deadrat
2013-05-11 16:06:59 UTC
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Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists)
No one really cares about your fantasies about your straw-man political
opponents.
<denial>
Post by K Wills
Then it's fortunate I don't offer any.
</denial>
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
have been using racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie,
Your posting history shows you think a lot of nonsense
How very sad that you see the truth as nonsense.
Bwahahahahahaha! How very sad that you see your benighted views as truth.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything.
You're dumber that a hermetically-sealed box of ball-peen hammers.
You made the claim.
About ball-peen hammers? You bet. And your posts back me up.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
Do ya now? Please present evidence that these alleged three Latinos are
and one alleged Latina actually own the businesses you claim they do.
Your avoidance was expected, though I had honestly hoped you
wouldn't use it.
Your rebuttal relies on three Latinos and one Latina. All possibly
imaginary. Of if they exist, none of whom might own a thing.

Your literal-mindedness is expected, and I've long ago given up any hope
that you won't resort to it when you paint yourself into a corner.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
Bwahahahahahahaha! Please don't waste time trying to tell me that
you're not suffering from advanced cluelessness and incurable literal
mindedness.
Whereas I am not, I will not.
Whereas? As in whereas you took the comment literally? See what I mean
about ball-peen hammers?
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
That whooshing sound you heard? It was the point going over your head.
Again.
Again, I expected your avoidance, but honestly hoped you wouldn't
use it.
Didn't ya even hear the whooshing sound? That would be sad if true.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Still.
Are you going to present the evidence that supports your claim,
or continue to play avoidance games?
Are you going to present even more evidence of your cluelessness?

History says yes.
K Wills
2013-05-12 08:38:34 UTC
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Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists)
No one really cares about your fantasies about your straw-man political
opponents.
<denial>
Post by K Wills
Then it's fortunate I don't offer any.
</denial>
You may call the truth a denial if doing so makes your life
easier. It won't cease being the truth as a result.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
have been using racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie,
Your posting history shows you think a lot of nonsense
How very sad that you see the truth as nonsense.
Bwahahahahahaha! How very sad that you see your benighted views as truth.
How very sad that you are once again reduced to lying.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything.
You're dumber that a hermetically-sealed box of ball-peen hammers.
You made the claim.
About ball-peen hammers?
About whites owning everything.
Post by deadrat
You bet. And your posts back me up.
At no time have I posted anything to back up your open racism.
Ever.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
Do ya now? Please present evidence that these alleged three Latinos are
and one alleged Latina actually own the businesses you claim they do.
Your avoidance was expected, though I had honestly hoped you
wouldn't use it.
Your rebuttal relies on three Latinos and one Latina. All possibly
imaginary. Of if they exist, none of whom might own a thing.
You made the claim. It befalls you to prove that whites own
everything.
If you wish, you may admit you lied. Explaining why you lied
would be a nice addition.
Post by deadrat
Your literal-mindedness is expected, and I've long ago given up any hope
that you won't resort to it when you paint yourself into a corner.
Your continued avoidance is not helping you.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
Bwahahahahahahaha! Please don't waste time trying to tell me that
you're not suffering from advanced cluelessness and incurable literal
mindedness.
Whereas I am not, I will not.
Whereas? As in whereas you took the comment literally? See what I mean
about ball-peen hammers?
I see you're desperate to try and run from your racist comment.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
That whooshing sound you heard? It was the point going over your head.
Again.
Again, I expected your avoidance, but honestly hoped you wouldn't
use it.
Didn't ya even hear the whooshing sound? That would be sad if true.
I did not.
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Still.
Are you going to present the evidence that supports your claim,
or continue to play avoidance games?
Are you going to present even more evidence of your cluelessness?
Shall anyone reading accept your continued avoidance as an
admission on your part that you lied?
Post by deadrat
History says yes.
History shows that you consistently lie and that I consistently
expose it.
History shows that you are racist and that I consistently expose
your racism.
History shows that you lie to try and cover up your lies/racism
and that I consistently exposed this as well.
I'm confident this will happen again.
--
When cryptography is outlawed,
bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
deadrat
2013-05-12 16:56:38 UTC
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Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
<snipped: inapt blather/>
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
Shocking what's happening to us white males.
Not really. Liberals (synonymous with racists)
No one really cares about your fantasies about your straw-man political
opponents.
<denial>
Post by K Wills
Then it's fortunate I don't offer any.
</denial>
<denial>
Post by K Wills
You may call the truth a denial if doing so makes your life
easier. It won't cease being the truth as a result.
</denial>
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
have been using racism of all types for a very long time.
Post by deadrat
Good thing we already own everything, eh?
I think the claim you present in your question is a lie,
Your posting history shows you think a lot of nonsense
How very sad that you see the truth as nonsense.
Bwahahahahahaha! How very sad that you see your benighted views as truth.
How very sad that you are once again reduced to lying.
There's that whooshing sound again. Didja hear it this time?
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
but I'll
examine any and all evidence you present that shows whites already own
everything.
You're dumber that a hermetically-sealed box of ball-peen hammers.
You made the claim.
About ball-peen hammers?
About whites owning everything.
Post by deadrat
You bet. And your posts back me up.
At no time have I posted anything to back up your open racism.
Ever.
And yet you haven't posted anything to document my "open racism" either.

Go figure.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Since I happen to know, personally, three Latinos who own
a lawn care service and one Latina who owns a Pupuseria (she serves
other Salvadorian food as well), I think you'll find the claim
impossible to prove.
Do ya now? Please present evidence that these alleged three Latinos are
and one alleged Latina actually own the businesses you claim they do.
Your avoidance was expected, though I had honestly hoped you
wouldn't use it.
Your rebuttal relies on three Latinos and one Latina. All possibly
imaginary. Of if they exist, none of whom might own a thing.
You made the claim. It befalls you to prove that whites own
everything.
Whoosh!
Post by K Wills
If you wish, you may admit you lied. Explaining why you lied
would be a nice addition.
Is literal-mindedness an isolated issue for you, or is it part of a
larger cognitive problem?
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Your literal-mindedness is expected, and I've long ago given up any hope
that you won't resort to it when you paint yourself into a corner.
<projection>
Post by K Wills
Your continued avoidance is not helping you.
</projection>
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
And please don't waste time trying to lie your way out of your
lie. You hold that whites own everything, so you'll have to prove your
lie to be the truth.
Bwahahahahahahaha! Please don't waste time trying to tell me that
you're not suffering from advanced cluelessness and incurable literal
mindedness.
Whereas I am not, I will not.
Whereas? As in whereas you took the comment literally? See what I mean
about ball-peen hammers?
I see you're desperate to try and run from your racist comment.
Which racist comment was that? You never seem to say.
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
That whooshing sound you heard? It was the point going over your head.
Again.
Again, I expected your avoidance, but honestly hoped you wouldn't
use it.
Didn't ya even hear the whooshing sound? That would be sad if true.
I did not.
There it is again!
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
Still.
Are you going to present the evidence that supports your claim,
or continue to play avoidance games?
Are you going to present even more evidence of your cluelessness?
<projection>
Post by K Wills
Shall anyone reading accept your continued avoidance as an
admission on your part that you lied?
</projection>
Post by K Wills
Post by deadrat
History says yes.
<delusion type="adequacy">
Post by K Wills
History shows that you consistently lie and that I consistently
expose it.
</delusion>
Post by K Wills
History shows that you are racist and that I consistently expose
your racism.
And yet you can't produce a single quote from me that could be
considered racist. Odd, hmmm?

<delusion type="general">
Post by K Wills
History shows that you lie to try and cover up your lies/racism
and that I consistently exposed this as well.
I'm confident this will happen again.
</delusion>
Greegor
2013-05-13 14:19:46 UTC
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Shocking what's happening to us white males.  Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
It's easy for you to be a raging Socialist since
you've been a disability case for years, David.
Bret Cahill
2013-05-13 15:11:06 UTC
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Post by Greegor
Shocking what's happening to us white males.  Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
It's easy for you to be a raging Socialist since
you've been a disability case for years, David.
It's easy to know teabaggers have nothing to offer an increasingly
globalized info age economy.

The GOP could be finished off with Henry George's site value taxation,
taxing land at its full rental value.
PolishKnight
2013-05-26 01:45:46 UTC
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In article
Post by Bret Cahill
Post by Greegor
Shocking what's happening to us white males.  Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
It's easy for you to be a raging Socialist since
you've been a disability case for years, David.
It's easy to know teabaggers have nothing to offer an increasingly
globalized info age economy.
The GOP could be finished off with Henry George's site value taxation,
taxing land at its full rental value.
I find leftist use of the term "teabagger" amusing since they love to
whine about supposed racist and homophobic hate crime language. Isn't
using a derogatory term to imply that conservatives are scrotum sucking
homos itself implying that gays are disgusting?

regards,
PolishKnight
deadrat
2013-05-26 06:54:29 UTC
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Post by PolishKnight
In article
Post by Bret Cahill
Post by Greegor
Post by deadrat
Shocking what's happening to us white males. Good thing we already own
everything, eh?
It's easy for you to be a raging Socialist since
you've been a disability case for years, David.
It's easy to know teabaggers have nothing to offer an increasingly
globalized info age economy.
The GOP could be finished off with Henry George's site value taxation,
taxing land at its full rental value.
I find leftist use of the term "teabagger" amusing since they love to
whine about supposed racist and homophobic hate crime language. Isn't
using a derogatory term to imply that conservatives are scrotum sucking
homos itself implying that gays are disgusting?
regards,
PolishKnight
Scrotum sucking on your mind, eh? Perhaps you'd like to take this up
with your therapist.

Bill Graham
2013-05-09 20:20:28 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, reverse
discrimination is:" discrimination against whites or males (as in
employment or education) "
By it's very definition "affirmative action" is both racist and
sexist.
The following is the Gettysburg Address which President Abraham
Lincoln gave on Thursday November 19, 1863 at the dedication of the
"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation,
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are
met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a
portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here
gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting
and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we
can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who
struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add
or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say
here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they
who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us
to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from
these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly
resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation,
under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of
the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the
earth."
The following is the URL of the Wikipedia website which describes the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address
Unfortunately, the political establishment of the United States
government has forgotten the lessons of the American Civil War and the
Gettysburg Address.
Rather, it continues on the path of discrimination and privilege based
upon race, gender, color and national origin through affirmative
action and other overt and covert laws and policies.
As per the Gettysburg address, it is for men's rights activists and
other freedom loving citizens" It is for us the living, rather, to be
dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have
thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated
to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we
take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last
full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead
shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a
new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
What is the legal definition of " Reverse discrimination"?
"Employment programs required by federal statutes and regulations
designed to remedy discriminatory practices in hiring minority group
members; i.e., positive steps designed to eliminate existing and
continuing discrimination, to remedy lingering effects of past
discrimination, and to create systems and procedures to prevent future
discrimination; commonly based on population percentages of minority
groups in a particular area. Factors considered are race, color, sex,
creed, and age."(Free online Law Dictionary:http://legal-
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action)
The Free Online Law Dictionary discusses the history of "affirmative
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action
Affirmative action is not limited to employment but, also, includes
education, the receipt of social services, and many other
governmental, private, and other benefits, freedoms, and privileges.
It can even mean the exclusion of Caucasians and/or men even if the
same are better qualified by reason of education, expertise, or
temperament.
Legal arguments against affirmative action include those that assert
that it is in violation of the equal protection clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution as well as
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do "Affirmative Action" and similar laws amount to "Bills of
Attainder" and "Ex Post Facto" laws forbidden by the U.S.
Constitution?
It appears to me that they do.
What is a Bill of Attainder?
"A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of
attainder) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of
persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a
judicial trial."( "Wikipedia, Bill of Attainder,http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The Wikipedia web site describing Bills of Attainder further describes
how the U.S. Constitution forbids Bills of Attainder and the history
The United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder
under Article I, Section 9. The provision forbidding state law bills
of attainder, Article I, Section 10, reflects the importance that the
framers attached to this issue.
"Within the U.S. Constitution, the clauses forbidding attainder laws
serve two purposes. First, they reinforced the separation of powers,
by forbidding the legislature to perform judicial or executive
functions—since the outcome of any such acts of legislature would of
necessity take the form of a bill of attainder. Second, they embody
the concept of due process, which was partially reinforced by Fifth
Amendment to the Constitution. The text of the Constitution, Article
I, Section 9; Clause 3 is "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law
shall be passed".
The constitution of every State also expressly forbids bills of
attainder. For example, Wisconsin's constitution Article I, Section 12
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the
obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall
work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate. Contrast this with
the subtly more modern variation of the Texas version: Article 1
(Titled Bill of Rights) Section 16, entitled Bills of Attainder; Ex
Post Facto or Retroactive Laws: Impairing Obligation of Contracts: "No
bill of attainder, ex post facto law, retroactive law, or any law
impairing the obligation of contracts, shall be made". (Wikipedia,
"Bills of Attainder",http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The following is the URL of a VDARE website entitled: " When Quotas
http://www.vdare.com/articles/when-quotas-replace-merit-everybody-suffers
This article, by Peter Brimelow, describes the deleterious affects of
"affirmative action" on our society, culture, economy, and body
politic.
" If quotas are clogging the Clinton transition, what are they doing
to the economy? The subject went unmentioned, needless to say, at
Clinton's two-day economic summit in Little Rock. In fact, it has gone
virtually undiscussed throughout the quarter-century of bureaucratic
and judicial decrees that have effectively transformed the color-
blind 1964 Civil Rights Act into a pervasive quota system.
Ironically, just as socialism has collapsed across the globe, the
leading capitalist power has adopted a peculiarly American
neosocialism, putting politics (and lawyers) in command of its
workplace, albeit on the pretext of equity rather than efficiency.
Says Edward Potter of the Washington, D.C.-based Employment Policy
Foundation: "We have, without doubt, the most far-reaching equal
employment laws found anywhere in the world."
Before applauding Potter's sweeping statement, stop for a minute and
ponder this question: What does the replacement of merit with quotas
cost the American people? The answer is: plenty. The impact may easily
have already depressed GNP by a staggering four percentage points—
about as much as we spend on the entire public school system.
Quotas are not the law of the land, exactly. They are explicitly
banned in both the 1964 and 1991 Civil Rights Acts. Nevertheless,
corporate America has been terrorized by the legal legerdemain whereby
any statistical disparity between work force and population is equated
with intentional discrimination. Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex—in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)—as decreed by Washington."
There is no such thing as, "reverse discrimination". All discrimination, or
racism, is bad. You can;t go back to the past and undo what has already
taken place. those who were harmed by racism are long dead and cannot be
repaid. The best you can do now is to treat all men as equals and move on.
PolishKnight
2013-05-26 01:42:03 UTC
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Post by Bill Graham
Post by Marcus Aurelius
According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, reverse
discrimination is:" discrimination against whites or males (as in
employment or education) "
By it's very definition "affirmative action" is both racist and
sexist.
The following is the Gettysburg Address which President Abraham
Lincoln gave on Thursday November 19, 1863 at the dedication of the
"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation,
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are
met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a
portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here
gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting
and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we
can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who
struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add
or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say
here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they
who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us
to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us‹that from
these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion‹that we here highly
resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain‹that this nation,
under God, shall have a new birth of freedom‹and that government of
the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the
earth."
The following is the URL of the Wikipedia website which describes the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address
Unfortunately, the political establishment of the United States
government has forgotten the lessons of the American Civil War and the
Gettysburg Address.
Rather, it continues on the path of discrimination and privilege based
upon race, gender, color and national origin through affirmative
action and other overt and covert laws and policies.
As per the Gettysburg address, it is for men's rights activists and
other freedom loving citizens" It is for us the living, rather, to be
dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have
thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated
to the great task remaining before us‹that from these honored dead we
take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last
full measure of devotion‹that we here highly resolve that these dead
shall not have died in vain‹that this nation, under God, shall have a
new birth of freedom‹and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
What is the legal definition of " Reverse discrimination"?
"Employment programs required by federal statutes and regulations
designed to remedy discriminatory practices in hiring minority group
members; i.e., positive steps designed to eliminate existing and
continuing discrimination, to remedy lingering effects of past
discrimination, and to create systems and procedures to prevent future
discrimination; commonly based on population percentages of minority
groups in a particular area. Factors considered are race, color, sex,
creed, and age."(Free online Law Dictionary:http://legal-
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action)
The Free Online Law Dictionary discusses the history of "affirmative
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action
Affirmative action is not limited to employment but, also, includes
education, the receipt of social services, and many other
governmental, private, and other benefits, freedoms, and privileges.
It can even mean the exclusion of Caucasians and/or men even if the
same are better qualified by reason of education, expertise, or
temperament.
Legal arguments against affirmative action include those that assert
that it is in violation of the equal protection clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution as well as
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do "Affirmative Action" and similar laws amount to "Bills of
Attainder" and "Ex Post Facto" laws forbidden by the U.S.
Constitution?
It appears to me that they do.
What is a Bill of Attainder?
"A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of
attainder) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of
persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a
judicial trial."( "Wikipedia, Bill of Attainder,http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The Wikipedia web site describing Bills of Attainder further describes
how the U.S. Constitution forbids Bills of Attainder and the history
The United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder
under Article I, Section 9. The provision forbidding state law bills
of attainder, Article I, Section 10, reflects the importance that the
framers attached to this issue.
"Within the U.S. Constitution, the clauses forbidding attainder laws
serve two purposes. First, they reinforced the separation of powers,
by forbidding the legislature to perform judicial or executive
functions‹since the outcome of any such acts of legislature would of
necessity take the form of a bill of attainder. Second, they embody
the concept of due process, which was partially reinforced by Fifth
Amendment to the Constitution. The text of the Constitution, Article
I, Section 9; Clause 3 is "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law
shall be passed".
The constitution of every State also expressly forbids bills of
attainder. For example, Wisconsin's constitution Article I, Section 12
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the
obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall
work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate. Contrast this with
the subtly more modern variation of the Texas version: Article 1
(Titled Bill of Rights) Section 16, entitled Bills of Attainder; Ex
Post Facto or Retroactive Laws: Impairing Obligation of Contracts: "No
bill of attainder, ex post facto law, retroactive law, or any law
impairing the obligation of contracts, shall be made". (Wikipedia,
"Bills of Attainder",http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The following is the URL of a VDARE website entitled: " When Quotas
http://www.vdare.com/articles/when-quotas-replace-merit-everybody-suffers
This article, by Peter Brimelow, describes the deleterious affects of
"affirmative action" on our society, culture, economy, and body
politic.
" If quotas are clogging the Clinton transition, what are they doing
to the economy? The subject went unmentioned, needless to say, at
Clinton's two-day economic summit in Little Rock. In fact, it has gone
virtually undiscussed throughout the quarter-century of bureaucratic
and judicial decrees that have effectively transformed the color-
blind 1964 Civil Rights Act into a pervasive quota system.
Ironically, just as socialism has collapsed across the globe, the
leading capitalist power has adopted a peculiarly American
neosocialism, putting politics (and lawyers) in command of its
workplace, albeit on the pretext of equity rather than efficiency.
Says Edward Potter of the Washington, D.C.-based Employment Policy
Foundation: "We have, without doubt, the most far-reaching equal
employment laws found anywhere in the world."
Before applauding Potter's sweeping statement, stop for a minute and
ponder this question: What does the replacement of merit with quotas
cost the American people? The answer is: plenty. The impact may easily
have already depressed GNP by a staggering four percentage points‹
about as much as we spend on the entire public school system.
Quotas are not the law of the land, exactly. They are explicitly
banned in both the 1964 and 1991 Civil Rights Acts. Nevertheless,
corporate America has been terrorized by the legal legerdemain whereby
any statistical disparity between work force and population is equated
with intentional discrimination. Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex‹in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)‹as decreed by Washington."
There is no such thing as, "reverse discrimination". All discrimination, or
racism, is bad. You can;t go back to the past and undo what has already
taken place. those who were harmed by racism are long dead and cannot be
repaid. The best you can do now is to treat all men as equals and move on.
What's especially funny about these new reverse Jim Crow practices is
that they don't even benefit most actual victims of discrimination
either by ancestry or directly. For example, Obama was the child of a
white woman and a recent African immigrant whose experiences were
largely positive due to his race. Any mixed race person, such as
Elizabeth Warren who claimed to be of Cherokee heritage to qualify for
"two-fer" preferential status could only find a record of a
great-grandfather who had proudly KILLED Native Americans! In that
case, her claim to historical victimhood was meaningless in any case
since any historical benefits her male ancestors enjoyed were passed
down to her just as to the male heirs of the family and any tiny Native
American ancestry was offset by white blood.

Since most beneficiaries of diversity and affirmative action quotas are
race hustlers who are either recent immigrants, mixed race and
especially gender (there were no feminists on the titanic giving up
their lifeboat seats in the name of equality), then the whole policy is
a typical racist, leftist farce just like National Socialism murders of
Jews in the 1940's, Stalin's murders of Ukrainians and other ethnic
groups, Khmer Rouge and others. They never actually build a socialist
utopia. It always winds up with ethnic cleansings.

Leftists are the scum of humanity.

regards,
PolishKnight
deadrat
2013-05-26 01:53:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Graham
Post by Marcus Aurelius
According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, reverse
discrimination is:" discrimination against whites or males (as in
employment or education) "
By it's very definition "affirmative action" is both racist and
sexist.
The following is the Gettysburg Address which President Abraham
Lincoln gave on Thursday November 19, 1863 at the dedication of the
"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation,
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are
met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a
portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here
gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting
and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we
can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who
struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add
or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say
here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they
who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us
to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us‹that from
these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion‹that we here highly
resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain‹that this nation,
under God, shall have a new birth of freedom‹and that government of
the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the
earth."
The following is the URL of the Wikipedia website which describes the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address
Unfortunately, the political establishment of the United States
government has forgotten the lessons of the American Civil War and the
Gettysburg Address.
Rather, it continues on the path of discrimination and privilege based
upon race, gender, color and national origin through affirmative
action and other overt and covert laws and policies.
As per the Gettysburg address, it is for men's rights activists and
other freedom loving citizens" It is for us the living, rather, to be
dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have
thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated
to the great task remaining before us‹that from these honored dead we
take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last
full measure of devotion‹that we here highly resolve that these dead
shall not have died in vain‹that this nation, under God, shall have a
new birth of freedom‹and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
What is the legal definition of " Reverse discrimination"?
"Employment programs required by federal statutes and regulations
designed to remedy discriminatory practices in hiring minority group
members; i.e., positive steps designed to eliminate existing and
continuing discrimination, to remedy lingering effects of past
discrimination, and to create systems and procedures to prevent future
discrimination; commonly based on population percentages of minority
groups in a particular area. Factors considered are race, color, sex,
creed, and age."(Free online Law Dictionary:http://legal-
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action)
The Free Online Law Dictionary discusses the history of "affirmative
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affirmative+Action
Affirmative action is not limited to employment but, also, includes
education, the receipt of social services, and many other
governmental, private, and other benefits, freedoms, and privileges.
It can even mean the exclusion of Caucasians and/or men even if the
same are better qualified by reason of education, expertise, or
temperament.
Legal arguments against affirmative action include those that assert
that it is in violation of the equal protection clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution as well as
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do "Affirmative Action" and similar laws amount to "Bills of
Attainder" and "Ex Post Facto" laws forbidden by the U.S.
Constitution?
It appears to me that they do.
What is a Bill of Attainder?
"A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of
attainder) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of
persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a
judicial trial."( "Wikipedia, Bill of Attainder,http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The Wikipedia web site describing Bills of Attainder further describes
how the U.S. Constitution forbids Bills of Attainder and the history
The United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder
under Article I, Section 9. The provision forbidding state law bills
of attainder, Article I, Section 10, reflects the importance that the
framers attached to this issue.
"Within the U.S. Constitution, the clauses forbidding attainder laws
serve two purposes. First, they reinforced the separation of powers,
by forbidding the legislature to perform judicial or executive
functions‹since the outcome of any such acts of legislature would of
necessity take the form of a bill of attainder. Second, they embody
the concept of due process, which was partially reinforced by Fifth
Amendment to the Constitution. The text of the Constitution, Article
I, Section 9; Clause 3 is "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law
shall be passed".
The constitution of every State also expressly forbids bills of
attainder. For example, Wisconsin's constitution Article I, Section 12
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the
obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall
work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate. Contrast this with
the subtly more modern variation of the Texas version: Article 1
(Titled Bill of Rights) Section 16, entitled Bills of Attainder; Ex
Post Facto or Retroactive Laws: Impairing Obligation of Contracts: "No
bill of attainder, ex post facto law, retroactive law, or any law
impairing the obligation of contracts, shall be made". (Wikipedia,
"Bills of Attainder",http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder)
The following is the URL of a VDARE website entitled: " When Quotas
http://www.vdare.com/articles/when-quotas-replace-merit-everybody-suffers
This article, by Peter Brimelow, describes the deleterious affects of
"affirmative action" on our society, culture, economy, and body
politic.
" If quotas are clogging the Clinton transition, what are they doing
to the economy? The subject went unmentioned, needless to say, at
Clinton's two-day economic summit in Little Rock. In fact, it has gone
virtually undiscussed throughout the quarter-century of bureaucratic
and judicial decrees that have effectively transformed the color-
blind 1964 Civil Rights Act into a pervasive quota system.
Ironically, just as socialism has collapsed across the globe, the
leading capitalist power has adopted a peculiarly American
neosocialism, putting politics (and lawyers) in command of its
workplace, albeit on the pretext of equity rather than efficiency.
Says Edward Potter of the Washington, D.C.-based Employment Policy
Foundation: "We have, without doubt, the most far-reaching equal
employment laws found anywhere in the world."
Before applauding Potter's sweeping statement, stop for a minute and
ponder this question: What does the replacement of merit with quotas
cost the American people? The answer is: plenty. The impact may easily
have already depressed GNP by a staggering four percentage points‹
about as much as we spend on the entire public school system.
Quotas are not the law of the land, exactly. They are explicitly
banned in both the 1964 and 1991 Civil Rights Acts. Nevertheless,
corporate America has been terrorized by the legal legerdemain whereby
any statistical disparity between work force and population is equated
with intentional discrimination. Throughout American business, newly
entrenched affirmative action bureaucrats are enforcing discrimination
by race and sex‹in favor of the "protected classes" (women, minorities
and, most recently, the disabled)‹as decreed by Washington."
There is no such thing as, "reverse discrimination". All discrimination, or
racism, is bad. You can;t go back to the past and undo what has already
taken place. those who were harmed by racism are long dead and cannot be
repaid. The best you can do now is to treat all men as equals and move on.
What's especially funny about these new reverse Jim Crow practices <snip/>
Yeah. I'm sick of white people being subjected to "Jim Crow practices."

I guess it's good that we already own everything.
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