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Question about Eric Holder and US Congress finding him in contempt
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Some Guy
2012-07-02 15:41:56 UTC
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Regarding the recent vote where Congress found Eric Holder in criminal
contempt of congress:

Would it be technically correct that Holder has been "convicted" of
criminal contempt - to the extent that congress can convict anyone in a
proceeding such as this?

Or is their vote to find him in contempt just a charge that must be
proven in some further proceeding or in some other court?

If the next step would be to actually imprison Holder, would that not
indicate that no trial is contemplated or necessary and thus the
declaration or finding that he is in criminal contempt of congress is
essentially a conviction?
n***@isp.com
2012-07-02 19:28:45 UTC
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Post by Some Guy
Regarding the recent vote where Congress found Eric
Would it be technically correct that Holder has been
"convicted" of criminal contempt . . . . ?
No.
Post by Some Guy
Or is their vote to find him in contempt just a charge
that must be proven in some further proceeding or in
some other court?
Under the present state of the law, Yes.
Post by Some Guy
If the next step would be to actually imprison Holder,
would that not indicate that no trial is contemplated or
necessary and thus the declaration or finding that he
is in criminal contempt of congress is essentially a conviction?
The criminal contempt resolution is the congressional functional
equivalent of an assertion of probable cause to prosecute akin to a
congressional version of an indictment subject to the DOJ's decision
to exercise its discretion to prosecute criminally. It thus is not
"essentially a conviction" (much less an actual conviction) and,
instead, basically just allegations of facts and a claim of law
coupled with a request for further action by the U.S. attorney.

In other words, the purport of the resolution is that a majority of
the House of Reps. voted to certify what it claimed to be operative
facts to the effect that the Att'y. Gen'l wilfully defaulted in
responding to a duly issued congressional subpoena as required by 2
U.S.C. sects. 192 and 194, statutes such a default a federal
misdemeanor, and referred the matter to the relevant U.S. attorney (in
this instance, for the Dist. of Columbia) to bring the matter before a
grand jury to determine whether to prosecute.

However, asserting longstanding policy, which arguably was established
before but especially in and since the mid-1980s during Reagan
administration and which has been adhered to during Republican and
Democrat administrations since, the U.S. attorney informed congress
that it remains DOJ policy not to prosecute in cases when, as here,
an Executive Branch official declines to produce congressionally
subpoenaed documents under color of a presidential assertion of
executive privilege.

The basic rationale for this position has been essentially two-fold:
- re. the individual officer, that acting on the presidential
executive privilege instruction defeats the showing of willfulness
required for a criminal conviction; and
- more generally/institutionally, that use of a penal statute to
prosecute and to try to convict for the crime of contempt of congress
would materially interfere with the constitutional balance between the
President and Congress, i.e., would violate important constitutional
"separation of powers" principles.

But a majority of the House of Reps. has also voted to sue Mr. Holder
and the DOJ civilly to try to convince the federal courts to compel
the turnover of subpoenaed but withheld documents and presumably to
impose related judicial sanctions (e.g., contempt of court) if
congress finally prevails in that lawsuit and if the Att'y Gen'l then
violates such a final judgment -- an alternative that implicates other
constitutional "separation of powers" issues, which, however (except
via compromise and settlement achieved via political processes), have
not been definitively judicially or congressionally or presidentially
determined.
deadrat
2012-07-02 21:16:45 UTC
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Post by Some Guy
Regarding the recent vote where Congress found Eric Holder in criminal
Would it be technically correct that Holder has been "convicted" of
criminal contempt - to the extent that congress can convict anyone in a
proceeding such as this?
No, the House voted two citations, one is criminal and the other is
civil. The first will be referred to the USA of DC, and it is up to him
whether to impanel a grand jury to determine whether to indict Holder.
The USA reports to Holder, and the President has said that such
conflicts with Congress do not amount to criminality, so chances are
that no indictment will be forthcoming.

The civil contempt citation allows the House to go to federal court to
seek a subpoena for the documents. The courts hate to play referee
between the other two branches, and it may well be that no judge will
issue such a subpoena. The courts also hate to issue orders they can't
get enforced. From what I've read, the process, including appeals,
would take longer than Obama would be in office, even if he's reelected.
Post by Some Guy
Or is their vote to find him in contempt just a charge that must be
proven in some further proceeding or in some other court?
Yes and yes. See above.
Post by Some Guy
If the next step would be to actually imprison Holder, would that not
indicate that no trial is contemplated or necessary and thus the
declaration or finding that he is in criminal contempt of congress is
essentially a conviction?
The House may take the step of voting a citation of inherent contempt,
which bypasses the courts entirely. And they then could send the
Sergeant of Arms to arrest Holder and detain him the capitol. Assuming
they could find him. This hasn't been used since the 1930s.

There are no good paths here for Issa. He should have met with Holder,
gotten some agreement on documents, and declared victory. The criminal
citation can't be enforced, and the civil citation takes too long. Now
he and his rightard friends just look weak and silly, having made a
threat they can't carry through on. Inherent contempt isn't a slam
dunk, but at least the House controls enforcement. But what happens if
the House actually detains Holder? He still isn't going to give them
the documents, and the citation expires with the session of Congress.
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