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EU'RelationQuery ad EU_STATEs-DEBTs vv ECBS_upcoming-PolicyREALISATIONs
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jdewitte
2012-09-09 13:17:12 UTC
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EU'RelationQuery ad EU_STATEs-DEBTs vv ECBS_upcoming-PolicyREALISATIONs
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The EU'BankingSystem=ECBS, more or less independent of the EU'Commission
has EU'System(Main)Bank=ECB, Which CAN transfer>"EU"/ECB'Values"Credits"
:
.EU'MemberSTATEs direct DEBTs = sec! or of Regions/Etc; Since last Sep 6
.EU'MemberSTATEs indirect DEBTs BANKs/Etc ~Sedes/Etc[<>Being"SystemBank"
=Private Bank which petition(in bankruptcy) or which malfunctioning will
be Soc.-Fin.-Econ._desastrous <> MemberSTATEs sec! OR the Population(s);
:
Both ECB given Possibilities/POWERs in violation of ECBS'ECB"Foundings",
at present within EU_North Region esp ad EU'Germany and the Netherlands,
as to last POWER there exist"Q&A<>Secret Y/N_GOVsRepresentatives'Voting,

- apart/abandon(ing) of Realisation(s) = in all probability, likelihood,
of new Competence/Qualification/Authority such by EU'MemberSTATEsGOVs'
Impotence(s) = "Faint" -,

but both EXPERTs' and or PEOPLEs'majority judge/critisize ~BAD,in sense,
in meaning not only enlargement/blow-up South Regions"Dolce far niente!"
but in real sense of towards US = towards ME in EU'NORTH, as ~ REALITY!,
future, roll off/away/down such private Debts too!,>INDIVIDUAL TaxPAYERs
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This week Wed,12 Sep 2012, esp as to the basics of NOT-UNDEMOCRATIC(ly):
.Germany'BundesVerfassungsGericht(~expect.: more extensive conditions?):
EURO'ESM (1500?-3000?Billions)Garanty Fund<>"EU" and or EU'MemberSTATEs;
.Dutch Election of Parliament MAIN(!)controlling Chamber,"Tweede Kamer";
jos.
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P.S.: As to me!!:
Already the EU'MemberSTATEs(GOVs/Notables) united > Unknown STATE'form
= making EU'MemberSTATEs further~less democratic(ways), less Souverain
while EU'Peoples~WE THE PEOPLE qua supervision, respects/regards, ways
still differ(too)much, perhaps permanently still will! differ too much
Not only imaginable/conceivable, virtuell threats/menaces are growing?
Cf. Spain/Basks(old Capital: Guernica) which unwillingly had to accept
the anexation/Anschluss > Spain ~ extort by their big Banks,Industries
jos.
jdewitte
2012-09-09 19:43:52 UTC
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"jdewitte" wrote in message news:504c987a$0$2599$***@news.kpn.nl...

EU'RelationQuery ad EU_STATEs-DEBTs vv ECBS_upcoming-PolicyREALISATIONs
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~IUS/~LEX:
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by EU/EURO_MemberSTATEs'Majority-Voting i.c.[,Dutch:FINANCE-Minister],
as to (upcoming) ECBS'ECB_EURO/Authority_ cq /Authorities-Extension(s)
:
Unlike the "ECB" each TV/MEDIA_time nowadays = before 12th of Sep 2012
each(ALL) of the EU/ECBS'ECB-Competence(s) more or less<>Independence,
exists by possibility of DELEGATION-REVOKE by EU'Council-MemberSTATEs,
where the prealable/primary Delegation(s) as to ECB'transfers/transits
had been resp must be taken ~unanimity(!) [not so Commission-decision]
and Ratification had been Object of - here now so - Germany'Bundestag;
:
I.c.!! as to the ECB/Pres.'9/6_Declaration(s) resp '9/6_Realisations?,
Germany's BundesVerfassungsGericht(BVG) 12 Sep 2012 must/will? Ordeal
on NEW? "ECB"(Qualifications/Quantifications)
= Iustification <>
Possibility/Probality those revokable (~ consecutive?) Delegation(s),
= Iustification <> as to Germany's PEOPLE
as to German's Youth cq nxt Generation(s?)too! (:) NOT-UNDEMOCRATICly
while now in such way already? has given Birth = given democratized..
(expected?) SIZE/extent/magnitude has (been) changed?/developed? SUCH
Substantially/Essentally: I.c. ECB'Greatness(~QUALIFICATION)"changed"
being "controlled" ~ Y/N: NOT-UNDEMOCRATIC(ly) resp :Democratization;
= Esp/Specific as to Germany'EU/EURO-MemberSTATE_"NEW"? DELEGATION(s)
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N.B.!!: "ECB"=ECB'BANK-OWNERS ARE "WE THE EU-PEOPLEs"!! Quod non ?!:
As to "~IUS/~LEX <> 'Germany'Ius/Lex", the BundesVerfassungsGericht

may given interpretation(s) ad
consequence(s) of once given Adhaesion by the Bundestag too!
= there then so > [~historical(ly)] changes?/developments?

may given ius/lex_interpretation(s) ad
the "Germany"Lawfulness/Etc ~ without Parliament-Control(s) i.c.
= "OUT OF PARLIAMENT-CONTROL" such ECB'Decisions
as to ECB'BANK OWN LOANS > "Germany"DEBTs > INDIVIDUAL TaxPAYERs
Facts/Factuals (at present),
by upcoming EU/Region.North ONLY? Financial(!) "Support" > .Elsewhere
= esp resp as to (such gigantic) PRIVATE(= as announced!) DEBTS too..
= such (already existing) private debts > the relevant EU/MemberSTATE
without any"Germany"control as to Transfers/Etc within such EuroSTATE
= Soc.-Fin.-Econ. without "within EU, still NOT-competitive ECONOMY",
a.O. Germany'NationParliament~National NEW VOTED<>NEW ECB'Competents!
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Most of EU'National Parliaments hate a National DECISIVE! REFERENDA..
<> Downgraded Representative(s) OWN Political(ly) "Manoeuvrability"..
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Reminder:
Not only EU/ECB_BANK/ETC-"Stress"test and follow ups(!) are proof of
ECB'UNABLE Control(ling)/Measure(ing) of SystemBanks/Going Concern.
jos.
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jdewitte
2012-09-12 10:02:33 UTC
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EU'RelationQuery ad EU_STATEs-DEBTs vv ECBS_upcoming-PolicyREALISATIONs
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L.S.,

20120912/ca10h:00_Germany-STATE/BundesVerfassungsGercht(fedConstitutional Court)
~ Provisional ad, and later on ~ Tendency ad, EHRC_UN-NATO-x..-EU-Germany-STATE,
here now so:
1.
Germany-STATE_EU/"ESM"Ratification allowing/etc,
- Such as to (~new relevant) Germany_interne (fiscal)Laws too -:
.not in affirmativ/consent ad/of System,
.but not-contrarii/not-contradictoric ad/of System,
(:) x..-EU-German-STATE/Constitution & /Constitution-Articles/-SubArticles/Etc:
2.
.Ratification as to ESM-SIZE has to be (Protocol-)limited = E. ca 190 Billions:
.Every ESM_Change/Development esp! ad SIZE, ONLY!! via a.O. Bundestag/Bundesrat
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Expectation: This will also be Court's Tendency as to later on ~final/definite,
esp specific as to ECB"9/6" too? =
~ Privat DEBTS, Secondary Market and or BANKS > Other EU'STATE(/GOV) > ECB resp
~ EU"ECB(/Pres 6 Sep 2012)" ~ DIRECT buying <> Banks/Etc = Private DEBTs
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Reminder:
When Banks succeeded in pushing debts > STATE = Shareholders'Bonus! > Chairman!
jos.
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