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Jimbo
2015-07-13 20:23:03 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
Vidcapper
2015-07-14 06:13:29 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately likely
to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
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Nick
2015-07-14 08:54:22 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately likely
to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
In the case of men, boys and sexual abuse I would assume it to be true,
wouldn't you?
Vidcapper
2015-07-14 15:09:56 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately likely
to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
In the case of men, boys and sexual abuse I would assume it to be true,
wouldn't you?
That is your speculation, not evidence.

I see no reason why boys would be at more risk from gay scoutmasters,
than girls would be from straight ones.
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Nick
2015-07-14 15:38:52 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately likely
to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
In the case of men, boys and sexual abuse I would assume it to be true,
wouldn't you?
That is your speculation, not evidence.
I see no reason why boys would be at more risk from gay scoutmasters,
than girls would be from straight ones.
I'm not disputing that. But *boys* would be more at risk of sexual abuse
from gay men than they would from straight men.

Also it does seem that in the past pederasts were attracted to such
roles. I would expect most normal gay men to have as much interest in
being a scout master as the vast majority of straight men, i.e. very
little interest.

To put your homophobia at rest I would have similar doubts about
straight men who wanted to be girl guide leaders.
AndyW
2015-07-15 06:40:34 UTC
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To put your homophobia at rest I would have similar doubts about
straight men who wanted to be girl guide leaders.
That would not happen.
In the UK the guides are still single sex (because girls need a place
away from boys apparently) but the scouts have been mixed in all
sections for about 25 years.

Andy
Ri©ardo
2015-07-15 07:44:39 UTC
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To put your homophobia at rest I would have similar doubts about
straight men who wanted to be girl guide leaders.
That would not happen.
In the UK the guides are still single sex (because girls need a place
away from boys apparently) but the scouts have been mixed in all
sections for about 25 years.
Andy
It's good to see "equality" in action, isn't it?
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Paul Pot
2015-07-14 18:17:39 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately
likely to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can
support??
Would you take the chance with your own kiddie?
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Vidcapper
2015-07-15 06:35:13 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately
likely to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
Would you take the chance with your own kiddie?
I don't have any children.
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Paul Pot
2015-07-15 18:56:08 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately
likely to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can
support??
Would you take the chance with your own kiddie?
I don't have any children.
Then shut up.
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Vidcapper
2015-07-16 06:57:01 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
The subject tile seems to imply that gays are disproportionately
likely to be child abusers. I assume that is a claim you can support??
Would you take the chance with your own kiddie?
I don't have any children.
Then shut up.
Why should I - last time I checked, it was not necessary to have
children, in order to have an opinion about issues that affect them!
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Judith
2015-07-14 06:50:46 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
Norman Wells
2015-07-14 08:35:51 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.

Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.

A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
abelard
2015-07-14 09:09:40 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.
Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
you mean they allow women near children? it should be banned
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Norman Wells
2015-07-14 10:19:48 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.
Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
you mean they allow women near children? it should be banned
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position? And
is it healthy?
abelard
2015-07-14 10:42:32 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.
Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
you mean they allow women near children? it should be banned
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position?
yes
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And is it healthy?
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kat
2015-07-15 07:40:13 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.
Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
you mean they allow women near children? it should be banned
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position? And
is it healthy?
Hasn't it always been this way? I went to a large primary school in the
later 1950s and the majority of the teachers were female. All th eteachers
in the Infant school were female. The head of the Juniors and a couple of
others were male. Another school for my children, and the 1980s and it was
much the same - except ISTR one of the men saying they had to teach infants
for a year if they wanted promotion to be a head teacher. I didn't get the
impression that, if a man wanted to teach primary school, he would find it
hard to find a job, rather that men tended to want to teach older children.
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Big Les Wade
2015-07-15 09:15:10 UTC
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Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position? And
is it healthy?
Hasn't it always been this way?
No, I don't think so. It has perhaps always been the case that women
teachers are more inclined than are men to teach younger children. But
nothing like as extreme as today.
Post by kat
I went to a large primary school in the
later 1950s and the majority of the teachers were female. All th eteachers
in the Infant school were female. The head of the Juniors and a couple of
others were male.
I went to a modest size infants school in the early sixties; I do not
remember any male teachers there. But in the modest junior school I
later attended, the large majority of the teachers were men.
Post by kat
Another school for my children, and the 1980s and it was
much the same - except ISTR one of the men saying they had to teach infants
for a year if they wanted promotion to be a head teacher.
In the schools my children attended in the 80s and 90s, the infant
school was (IIRC) exclusively female-taught; and the junior school
predominantly female-taught but with a handful of male teachers.

So things had already changed since my day, but not to the extent that
they have since.
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I didn't get the
impression that, if a man wanted to teach primary school, he would find it
hard to find a job,
That was then. This is 25 years later.
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rather that men tended to want to teach older children.
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kat
2015-07-15 09:43:32 UTC
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Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position? And is
it healthy?
Hasn't it always been this way?
No, I don't think so. It has perhaps always been the case that women
teachers are more inclined than are men to teach younger children. But
nothing like as extreme as today.
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I went to a large primary school in the
later 1950s and the majority of the teachers were female. All th
eteachers in the Infant school were female. The head of the Juniors
and a couple of others were male.
I went to a modest size infants school in the early sixties; I do not
remember any male teachers there. But in the modest junior school I
later attended, the large majority of the teachers were men.
How many? There were 16 classes in my 4 years at junior school, with as I
recall, 2 men and 14 women, plus the head. That was as I said in the later
50s.
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Another school for my children, and the 1980s and it was
much the same - except ISTR one of the men saying they had to teach
infants for a year if they wanted promotion to be a head teacher.
In the schools my children attended in the 80s and 90s, the infant
school was (IIRC) exclusively female-taught; and the junior school
predominantly female-taught but with a handful of male teachers.
Proportionately my children's school had more men than my school. So my
experience was th eother way around to yours.
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So things had already changed since my day, but not to the extent that
they have since.
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I didn't get the
impression that, if a man wanted to teach primary school, he would
find it hard to find a job,
That was then. This is 25 years later.
And I have a daughter with several female school friends who are teachers
and are married to teachers. And at least 2 possibly 3 of those husbands
teach primary school. They had no problem finding jobs, where they wanted
them. The only man I am sure teaches high school is the one who met and
married the friend who also teaches high school at the high school.
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Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position? And is
it healthy?
Hasn't it always been this way?
No, I don't think so. It has perhaps always been the case that women
teachers are more inclined than are men to teach younger children. But
nothing like as extreme as today.
Post by kat
I went to a large primary school in the
later 1950s and the majority of the teachers were female. All th
eteachers in the Infant school were female. The head of the Juniors
and a couple of others were male.
I went to a modest size infants school in the early sixties; I do not
remember any male teachers there. But in the modest junior school I
later attended, the large majority of the teachers were men.
How many? There were 16 classes in my 4 years at junior school, with as I
recall, 2 men and 14 women, plus the head. That was as I said in the later
50s.
In mine there were three forms with two classes in each. Only the first
form classes had women teachers. All the rest, and the head, had men.

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And I have a daughter with several female school friends who are teachers
and are married to teachers. And at least 2 possibly 3 of those husbands
teach primary school. They had no problem finding jobs, where they wanted
them. The only man I am sure teaches high school is the one who met and
married the friend who also teaches high school at the high school.
Clearly we each are only seeing a small sample. More research is needed.
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Norman Wells
2015-07-15 09:40:23 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:23:03 +0100, Jimbo
Post by Jimbo
'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
Outrageous they will be allowing men to be teachers of girls next.
It's already happening. And not only as regards girls.
Only 1 in 8 primary school teachers is a man.
A quarter of all primary schools have no male teachers.
you mean they allow women near children? it should be banned
It's a serious point, though. How have we reached this position?
And
is it healthy?
Hasn't it always been this way?
No. It's got far worse over the past few years. Men are justifiably so
concerned now about the consequences of even completely unfounded
allegations of child abuse that they are unwilling to place themselves
in such a position.
Post by kat
I went to a large primary school in the later 1950s and the majority
of the teachers were female. All th eteachers in the Infant school
were female. The head of the Juniors and a couple of others were
male. Another school for my children, and the 1980s and it was much
the same - except ISTR one of the men saying they had to teach infants
for a year if they wanted promotion to be a head teacher. I didn't
get the impression that, if a man wanted to teach primary school, he
would find it hard to find a job, rather that men tended to want to
teach older children.
I'm sure it isn't difficult to find a primary school teaching job if
you're a man. The problem is it has been made so risky that very few
are prepared to apply.

And that's a very sad indictment of an unhealthy society.
abelard
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I'm sure it isn't difficult to find a primary school teaching job if
you're a man. The problem is it has been made so risky that very few
are prepared to apply.
And that's a very sad indictment of an unhealthy society.
just so...

many teachers now strongly advise their male children
away from working with children...
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AndyW
2015-07-14 07:04:36 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........

Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
Etaoin Shrdlu
2015-07-14 08:45:19 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
Ri©ardo
2015-07-14 10:40:13 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.

:-)
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Etaoin Shrdlu
2015-07-14 10:54:54 UTC
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
Hehe. And you know what? I was even a little bit envious of him. No
idea what a centimetre looked like, and didn't even care.
Ri©ardo
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
Hehe. And you know what? I was even a little bit envious of him. No
idea what a centimetre looked like, and didn't even care.
There's obviously a need for missionary work here.

:-)

http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html

...and, of course, there remains the problem of pints, quarts and
gallons which have different sizes in the UK and the US.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
Hehe. And you know what? I was even a little bit envious of him. No
idea what a centimetre looked like, and didn't even care.
There's obviously a need for missionary work here.
:-)
http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html
...and, of course, there remains the problem of pints, quarts and
gallons which have different sizes in the UK and the US.
To be honest, I'm happy to use both systems. I don't think many would
argue that metric is not superior for scientific usage (assuming they
don't cock it up), but having to buy wood that is 102mm wide is just
silly. You could say that's a sort of legacy problem that will go away
one day, but I find it hard to visualise things in metric units. Which,
I suppose, is down to my age :-) OTOH, I do get the feeling that even
young people find it hard to visualise (for example) 50cm, which I can
do easily by mentally converting it to a bit over one foot six inches.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany,
Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
Hehe. And you know what? I was even a little bit envious of him. No
idea what a centimetre looked like, and didn't even care.
There's obviously a need for missionary work here.
:-)
http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html
...and, of course, there remains the problem of pints, quarts and
gallons which have different sizes in the UK and the US.
To be honest, I'm happy to use both systems. I don't think many would
argue that metric is not superior for scientific usage (assuming they
don't cock it up), but having to buy wood that is 102mm wide is just
silly. You could say that's a sort of legacy problem that will go away
one day, but I find it hard to visualise things in metric units. Which,
I suppose, is down to my age :-) OTOH, I do get the feeling that even
young people find it hard to visualise (for example) 50cm, which I can
do easily by mentally converting it to a bit over one foot six inches.
Well, I go on 2.5cm to the inch for mental calculations which is
simplicity itself, which gives us 1'8" for 50cm which is pretty close -
the true figure, using 2.54, which gives 1'7.7".

As for visualisation, I was on army exercises in Germany in the 1960s
and it took a long time to get to grips with kilometres.
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To be honest, I'm happy to use both systems. I don't think many would
argue that metric is not superior for scientific usage (assuming they
don't cock it up), but having to buy wood that is 102mm wide is just
silly. You could say that's a sort of legacy problem that will go away
one day, but I find it hard to visualise things in metric units. Which,
I suppose, is down to my age :-) OTOH, I do get the feeling that even
young people find it hard to visualise (for example) 50cm, which I can
do easily by mentally converting it to a bit over one foot six inches.
That will cause no confusion at all running both systems.
What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.wired.com/2010/11/1110mars-climate-observer-report/

1999: A disaster investigation board reports that NASA’s Mars Climate
Orbiter burned up in the Martian atmosphere because engineers failed to
convert units from English to metric.
A NASA review board found that the problem was in the software
controlling the orbiter’s thrusters. The software calculated the force
the thrusters needed to exert in pounds of force. A separate piece of
software took in the data assuming it was in the metric unit: newtons.

Andy
Mike Swift
2015-07-14 11:23:29 UTC
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It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.

As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.

Mike
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It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
Mike
I always thought this was because there were so many places in America
called 'Paris' and 'London' that they have to say things like 'Paris,
Ohio' and 'Paris, Texas'. At least, I *hope* that's the reason. Having
said that, we have a few visitors from the US here, and I wouldn't bet a
large amount of money on it.
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2015-07-14 12:00:16 UTC
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I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
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Post by Mike Swift
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
I always thought this was because there were so many places in America
called 'Paris' and 'London' that they have to say things like 'Paris,
Ohio' and 'Paris, Texas'. At least, I *hope* that's the reason. Having
said that, we have a few visitors from the US here, and I wouldn't bet a
large amount of money on it.
Something I found out: as well as the well-known "Paris, Texas", there
is also a "London, Texas" - and the distance between "Paris, Texas"
and "London, Texas", even though they are in the same state, is larger
than that between "Paris, France" and "London, England".
abelard
2015-07-14 12:09:07 UTC
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Post by Mike Swift
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
70 kilos is 10 stone
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu
Post by Mike Swift
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
I always thought this was because there were so many places in America
called 'Paris' and 'London' that they have to say things like 'Paris,
Ohio' and 'Paris, Texas'. At least, I *hope* that's the reason. Having
said that, we have a few visitors from the US here, and I wouldn't bet a
large amount of money on it.
Something I found out: as well as the well-known "Paris, Texas", there
is also a "London, Texas" - and the distance between "Paris, Texas"
and "London, Texas", even though they are in the same state, is larger
than that between "Paris, France" and "London, England".
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2015-07-14 12:21:57 UTC
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Post by Mike Swift
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
70 kilos is 10 stone
No it isn't, 70 kilos is just over 11 stone.
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Post by Mike Swift
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
70 kilos is 10 stone
No it isn't, 70 kilos is just over 11 stone.
i'm glad you spotted my deliberate mistake...

i did it in order to give you some pleasure
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2015-07-14 12:27:20 UTC
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Post by Jon Ribbens
Post by Mike Swift
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
70 kilos is 10 stone
No it isn't, 70 kilos is just over 11 stone.
i'm glad you spotted my deliberate mistake...
i did it in order to give you some pleasure
If you say so, but since you've demonstrated your innumeracy many times
in the past it takes some believing - and I don't.
Etaoin Shrdlu
2015-07-14 12:10:00 UTC
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I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
Post by Etaoin Shrdlu
Post by Mike Swift
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
I always thought this was because there were so many places in America
called 'Paris' and 'London' that they have to say things like 'Paris,
Ohio' and 'Paris, Texas'. At least, I *hope* that's the reason. Having
said that, we have a few visitors from the US here, and I wouldn't bet a
large amount of money on it.
Something I found out: as well as the well-known "Paris, Texas", there
is also a "London, Texas" - and the distance between "Paris, Texas"
and "London, Texas", even though they are in the same state, is larger
than that between "Paris, France" and "London, England".
I remember when I was a lad, and I first heard 'Tuxedo Junction', I
couldn't help wondering why they were going on about Birming-ham.
Custos Custodum
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I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms
and Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head
round metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
Imperial units are utterly meaningless to me except for the pint
glass, the height of people, and speeds on roads. I have a vague
idea of the weight of people in "stones", but I have no idea what
the "little-units" are that are below stones, nor how many of them
are in a stone.
Post by Etaoin Shrdlu
Post by Mike Swift
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and
if they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London,
England, the average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London
is, in fact many will have difficulty knowing where France and
England are.
I always thought this was because there were so many places in
America called 'Paris' and 'London' that they have to say things
like 'Paris, Ohio' and 'Paris, Texas'. At least, I *hope* that's
the reason. Having said that, we have a few visitors from the US
here, and I wouldn't bet a large amount of money on it.
Something I found out: as well as the well-known "Paris, Texas",
there is also a "London, Texas" - and the distance between "Paris,
Texas" and "London, Texas", even though they are in the same state,
is larger than that between "Paris, France" and "London, England".
I remember when I was a lad, and I first heard 'Tuxedo Junction', I
couldn't help wondering why they were going on about Birming-ham.
Reminds me of one of my favourite parodies.



Still topical 20+ years on.
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It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
1 yard is 1 metre...
2.5cm is 1 inch..

30 mph is 50 kph
45 mph is 70 kph
70 mph is 110 kph and you'll almost never get done for speeding :-)

kms are very short and so fuel goes further and journeys don't
take so long

that's all you need to know!
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As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
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2015-07-14 13:46:16 UTC
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I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
1 yard is 1 metre...
2.5cm is 1 inch..
30 mph is 50 kph
45 mph is 70 kph
70 mph is 110 kph and you'll almost never get done for speeding :-)
kms are very short and so fuel goes further and journeys don't
take so long
that's all you need to know!
I know all these things but my brain is hard wired after 69 years to
have a grasp of Imperial as a concept, metric I have to convert to
Imperial first.

Mike
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abelard
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I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round
metres, I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
1 yard is 1 metre...
2.5cm is 1 inch..
30 mph is 50 kph
45 mph is 70 kph
70 mph is 110 kph and you'll almost never get done for speeding :-)
kms are very short and so fuel goes further and journeys don't
take so long
that's all you need to know!
I know all these things but my brain is hard wired after 69 years to
have a grasp of Imperial as a concept, metric I have to convert to
Imperial first.
i didn't doubt that you knew...i just listed the rules
of thumb that are needed/useful going back and forth

only with serious conversions do you need a pencil and
calculator...or a 12 year old
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It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
:-)
I was brought up Imperial but after a working life using Kilograms and
Litres these are second nature but I still cant get my head round metres,
I still use inches, feet and yards for distance.
As for Americans that doesn't surprise me, watch a US programme and if
they're out of the States you see Paris, France or London, England, the
average American hasn't a clue where Paris and London is, in fact many
will have difficulty knowing where France and England are.
I post in a US food group, boy you see some weird stuff in there.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
Is the millemetre a new fraction of the metre?
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
It'll take a looong time. A few months ago, we had a coder over here
from a sister company in the US. He's a clever enough chap, but we were
talking about page margins, and he had absolutely no idea how big a
centimetre is.
That's easy, it's 10 millemetres. or 100th of a metre.
Is the millemetre a new fraction of the metre?

No its the size of your brain.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
In 1866, Congress authorized the use of the metric system
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
In 1866, Congress authorized the use of the metric system
But it's been slow to get under way...

http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
In 1866, Congress authorized the use of the metric system
A dark day in our history.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
In 1866, Congress authorized the use of the metric system
A dark day in our history.
That's your limited history.

Live with it!
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
And yet it works fine in the UK, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands........
Well done US, I suggest the Metric System for your next change.
Polygamy, zoopgamy, OK. B&D, S&M, OK. But I draw the line at SI.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801
But this IS in a foreign country, where they have funny little ways when
it comes to all sorts of things. It's sod all to do with us, just let
them get on with it.

It can't be as bad letting Tom, Dick and Harry having the right to own
an assault rifle in many states.
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'Gays' to be allowed to work as leaders in US boy scouts.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33516801


Why are you complaining? All limeys are gay.
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