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Okalahoma to use nitrogen for executions
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h***@anony.net
2015-03-20 22:07:09 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html

Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.

After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.

State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Ted
2015-03-20 22:53:02 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
JNugent
2015-03-20 23:25:27 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.

I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Fredxxx
2015-03-21 10:16:25 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.

I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Mrcheerful
2015-03-21 10:30:47 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
When an animal is put to sleep, the process is peaceful and quick, just
a single syringe and in moments the job is done. The cost is low too.
I don't see why putting a human to death should be so much different or
more expensive.
Ophelia
2015-03-21 10:59:41 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
When an animal is put to sleep, the process is peaceful and quick, just a
single syringe and in moments the job is done. The cost is low too. I
don't see why putting a human to death should be so much different or more
expensive.
I agree. When I had to have my dog put down, I had the vet in to do it at
home. She had a small sedative injection because she was nervous of the
strangers and then the syringe. She floated off with no distress at all.
Surely that is more humane.
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Judith
2015-03-21 22:25:39 UTC
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When an animal is put to sleep, the process is peaceful and quick, just a
single syringe and in moments the job is done. The cost is low too. I
don't see why putting a human to death should be so much different or more
expensive.
I agree. When I had to have my dog put down
Was it a silly bitch as well?

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Ted
2015-03-21 13:14:53 UTC
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When an animal is put to sleep, the process is peaceful and quick, just
a single syringe and in moments the job is done. The cost is low too. I
don't see why putting a human to death should be so much different or
more expensive.
I was told but can't verify it that with an animal an overdose of
barbiturate is injected. If true it would explain why it is so peaceful.
steve robinson
2015-03-21 13:31:05 UTC
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Post by Mrcheerful
When an animal is put to sleep, the process is peaceful and quick,
just a single syringe and in moments the job is done. The cost is
low too. I don't see why putting a human to death should be so much
different or more expensive.
I was told but can't verify it that with an animal an overdose of
barbiturate is injected. If true it would explain why it is so
peaceful.
etorphine hydrochloride, pentobarbital or sodium thiopental are
usaully the drugs of choice. depending on the animal, larger animals
usally etorphine hydrochloride, however this drug is highly dangerous
ad should only be administered by vet, plus before administering it the
antidote should be available and drawn in a syringe
Tough Guy no. 1265
2015-04-19 12:20:59 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-okla=
homa-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113=
454.html
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Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners =E2=80=93 asphy=
xiation
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with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmat=
es
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Post by Ted
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due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obta=
in
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Post by Ted
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the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly t=
o
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Post by Ted
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allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the=
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and =
let
Post by Fredxxx
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity o=
f
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the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosph=
ere
Post by Fredxxx
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of=
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would =
be
Post by Fredxxx
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involv=
ed.

Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped und=
erwater? In fact why not trap people underwater?

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deadrat
2015-05-01 18:42:24 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
Tough Guy no. 1265
2015-05-01 18:46:02 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-ok=
lahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-101=
13454.html
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Post by Fredxxx
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Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners =E2=80=93 asp=
hyxiation
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Post by Fredxxx
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with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inm=
ates
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due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to ob=
tain
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Ted
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the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly=
to
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allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored t=
he
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by Ted
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bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight an=
d let
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Post by Fredxxx
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity=
of
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Post by Fredxxx
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but=
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmos=
phere
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Post by Fredxxx
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces =
of
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Post by Fredxxx
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen woul=
d be
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Post by Fredxxx
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those invo=
lved.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decreas=
e
in O2.
I don't believe you. We can't be that stupid. If we have insufficient =
oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close=
.

But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
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Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
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2015-05-01 21:13:35 UTC
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-=
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Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new an=
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largely untested way to execute death row prisoners =E2=80=93 a=
sphyxiation
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with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted overwhelming=
ly to
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allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored=
the
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bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates an=
d
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affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capaci=
ty of
Post by deadrat
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), b=
ut
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evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the force=
s of
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Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
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Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trappe=
d
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Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decre=
ase
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in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level i=
n
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the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and=
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and clo=
se.
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But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
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obtain
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affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtigh=
t
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and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and=
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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but
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evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack o=
f
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oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
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ped
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underwater?
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in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level=
in
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the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete m=
oron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don't y=
ou have the ability to think for yourself?
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, a=
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some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and c=
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But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act=
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how the=
y get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for years t=
o come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead, what's the =
point?

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don't
you have the ability to think for yourself?
When you're dizzy and faintheaded, there is no reflex to breathe faster.
You can call me what you wish in denial of this fact.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
To distinguish us from animals. It depends on how you view yourself.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don't
you have the ability to think for yourself?
When you're dizzy and faintheaded, there is no reflex to breathe faster.
Breathing is unusual in that it's under both autonomic and conscious
control. That doesn't happen with other physiological systems like
digestion or hormonal response (which are strictly autonomic) or
locomotion (which is strictly conscious). Tuffy is saying that the
dizziness from lack of oxygen would induce you to consciously (i.e., not
reflexively) breathe harder. I find no basis for such an assertion.

<snip/>
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Breathing is unusual in that it's under both autonomic and conscious
control. That doesn't happen with other physiological systems like
digestion or hormonal response (which are strictly autonomic) or
locomotion (which is strictly conscious). Tuffy is saying that the
dizziness from lack of oxygen would induce you to consciously (i.e., not
reflexively) breathe harder. I find no basis for such an assertion.
I used to do a lot of SCUBA diving including closed circuit
rebreathers. It's very well known in this world that providing you can
remove the CO2, lack of oxygen which implys an excess of nitrogen
(or helium) causes you to simply drift off with a pleasant warm
feeling...

The warm, pleasant drift off is the the generally accepted view, and
confirmed to me from speaking first-hand to a friend who was successfully
resuscitated from such a situation. Also a few years ago a friend of
mine (also a diver) decided to end his life and his chosen way was to
breathe pure helium.

There are numerous articles online about the mechanisms that make CO2 the
primary trigger to breathe and not lack of oxygen.

Gordon
Ophelia
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Breathing is unusual in that it's under both autonomic and conscious
control. That doesn't happen with other physiological systems like
digestion or hormonal response (which are strictly autonomic) or
locomotion (which is strictly conscious). Tuffy is saying that the
dizziness from lack of oxygen would induce you to consciously (i.e., not
reflexively) breathe harder. I find no basis for such an assertion.
I used to do a lot of SCUBA diving including closed circuit
rebreathers. It's very well known in this world that providing you can
remove the CO2, lack of oxygen which implys an excess of nitrogen
(or helium) causes you to simply drift off with a pleasant warm
feeling...
The warm, pleasant drift off is the the generally accepted view, and
confirmed to me from speaking first-hand to a friend who was successfully
resuscitated from such a situation. Also a few years ago a friend of
mine (also a diver) decided to end his life and his chosen way was to
breathe pure helium.
There are numerous articles online about the mechanisms that make CO2 the
primary trigger to breathe and not lack of oxygen.
Would Helium have to same effect?
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On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:53:54 +0100, "Ophelia" <***@elsinore.invalid> wrote:

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Also a few years ago a friend of
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mine (also a diver) decided to end his life and his chosen way was to
breathe pure helium.
There are numerous articles online about the mechanisms that make CO2 the
primary trigger to breathe and not lack of oxygen.
Would Helium have to same effect?
ffs - can you not read?

Perhaps you could give it a try - and report back.

Or not.

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obtain
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sored
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importantly far cheaper.
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and let
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uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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t),
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atmosphere
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t.
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involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase =
in
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a
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pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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te
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moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Do=
n't
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you have the ability to think for yourself?
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er.
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Breathing is unusual in that it's under both autonomic and conscious
control. That doesn't happen with other physiological systems like
digestion or hormonal response (which are strictly autonomic) or
locomotion (which is strictly conscious). Tuffy is saying that the
dizziness from lack of oxygen would induce you to consciously (i.e., n=
ot
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reflexively) breathe harder. I find no basis for such an assertion.
Intelligence?

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l paper fax machine that needed a band tightened.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don't
you have the ability to think for yourself?
When you're dizzy and faintheaded, there is no reflex to breathe faster.
Breathing is unusual in that it's under both autonomic and conscious
control. That doesn't happen with other physiological systems like
digestion or hormonal response (which are strictly autonomic) or
locomotion (which is strictly conscious). Tuffy is saying that the
dizziness from lack of oxygen would induce you to consciously (i.e., not
reflexively) breathe harder. I find no basis for such an assertion.
Intelligence?
From you, the poster boy for Dunning Kruger syndrome?

Er, no.
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underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a=
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
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the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase i=
n
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its =
a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complet=
e
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don=
't
you have the ability to think for yourself?
When you're dizzy and faintheaded, there is no reflex to breathe faste=
r.
You can call me what you wish in denial of this fact.
It doesn't have to be a reflex, you could try using your brain.
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some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and=
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and a=
ct
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
To distinguish us from animals. It depends on how you view yourself.
So you don't have an answer then. If someone is going to be dead in 5 m=
inutes, there's no point in making them comfortable.

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A: Silicon Valley.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
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obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
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ored
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affordable for Oklahoma.
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importantly far cheaper.
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and let
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uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
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difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level=
atmosphere
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.
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Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
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involved.
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apped
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underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a=
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 lev=
el in
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the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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a
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pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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and
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some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and=
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and a=
ct
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accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're discussin=
g HOW they kill them.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
I think you've hit the nail on its head.
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obtain
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overwhelmingly to
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bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
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uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
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involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
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in O2.
I don't believe you.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
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the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
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st as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If the=
y're guilty, who gives a fuck?

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.

Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
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due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
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obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
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the
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importantly far cheaper.
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and
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decrease
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I don't believe you.
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Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.=
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
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act
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years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dea=
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what's the point?
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the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. =
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they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then, just following the pack.

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Through the skylight.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of
three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the
ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting
trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a
decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm
and
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then, just following the pack.
Nope, no pack, just you in denial of being a socipath.
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three
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struggle to
obtain
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trapped
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decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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not a
matter of cognition.
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level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death=
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Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
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moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder=
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Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spa=
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and
close.
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If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
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act
accordingly.
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r how
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they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive=
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what's the point?
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the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is=
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder=
. If
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they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if=
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then, just following the pack.
Nope, no pack, just you in denial of being a socipath.
You've still not given a reason. You just say everyone else does it tha=
t way.

-- =

Drive defensively. Buy a tank.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of
three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and
most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very
distressing
and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a
vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the
ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a
start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with
nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the
lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for
those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting
trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a
decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2
level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm
and
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world
and
act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then, just following the pack.
Nope, no pack, just you in denial of being a socipath.
You've still not given a reason. You just say everyone else does it
that way.
No, just the civilized people.

Only a sociopath would have missed that.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of
three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and
most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very
distressing
and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a
vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the
ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a
start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with
nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the
lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for
those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting
trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a
decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2
level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm
and
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world
and
act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then, just following the pack.
Nope, no pack, just you in denial of being a socipath.
You've still not given a reason. You just say everyone else does it
that way.
The reason has already been given. It's a way of saying I'm civilised
rather than behaving like a sociopathic animal.

The fact you still can't see the answer speaks volumes and confirms you
are a sociopath.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of
three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
Post by Fredxxx
Post by JNugent
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the
ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting
trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a
decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
Post by Tough Guy no. 1265
We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm
and
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
So no reason then,
Only a sociopath would be given that reason and dismiss it as no reason.

just following the pack.
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What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
Most civilised people do. It's a way of saying I'm civilised even if
you're not; now pay the price for your crime.
Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to see this.
Yes!
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
The ones of us who aren't sociopaths.

And the ones executed you're not really sure of?
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the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
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they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
The ones of us who aren't sociopaths.
And the ones executed you're not really sure of?
They're dead anyway, so they don't care how they died.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a
new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners –
asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of
three
inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing
struggle to
obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who
sponsored
the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for
inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber
airtight
and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the
capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress
that),
but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the
ground-level
atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the
forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen
would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those
involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting
trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a
decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder.
Why? I've had vertigo. It didn't make me want to breathe harder.
Because you knew it wasn't from lack of oxygen.
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Don't you have the ability to think for yourself?
Immune from irony, I see.
I'm not the one who would die because there's not enough oxygen.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause
panic,
and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm
and
close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Another is that we, well most of us, live in a civilised world and act
accordingly.
If they're going to be dead within 10 minutes, it doesn't matter how
they get there. Being civilised to those who will remain alive for
years to come is one thing, but a criminal who is about to be dead,
what's the point?
Given human performance, if you can't get the point about not handing
the state the power to kill its citizens, then so be it.
We're not discussing IF they should kill their citizens, we're
discussing HOW they kill them.
These are not separable. Unless you're a sociopath.
What utter bollocks. Killing an innocent person in a "nice" way is
almost as bad as killing them in a humane way. They're both murder. If
they're guilty, who gives a fuck?
The ones of us who aren't sociopaths.
And the ones executed you're not really sure of?
They're dead anyway, so they don't care how they died.
Eventually we're all dead anyway, so no one will care how we act.

As I said, sociopath.
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Ignorance shows. Lack of oxygen without the corresponding increase in
CO2 just produces dizziness, unconsciousness and finally death. Its a
pleasant way to go. You should try it one day?
You might not automatically breathe more, but unless you're a complete
moron, you'd know why you were feeling dizzy and breathe harder. Don't
you have the ability to think for yourself?
That is not borne out by the numbers of workers each year who become
unconscious and/or die after entering confined spaces without checking
for sufficient oxygen levels. They have the ability to get out but they
don't realise there is a problem until they become unconscious.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Here's another hint: the words, often unspoken, that follow the word
"execution": "of the innocent." The stench of those three words clings
to the word "execution" like the smell of burning flesh at a botched
electrocution.

If you can't smell it, so be it.

If gloating about handing the state the power to kill its citizens
floats your boat, then so be that as well.
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with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three=
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obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsor=
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bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates =
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affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtigh=
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and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and=
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that),=
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evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack o=
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oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trap=
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underwater?
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in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level=
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the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, a=
nd
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some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and c=
lose.
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But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Here's another hint: the words, often unspoken, that follow the word
"execution": "of the innocent." The stench of those three words cling=
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to the word "execution" like the smell of burning flesh at a botched
electrocution.
If you can't smell it, so be it.
If gloating about handing the state the power to kill its citizens
floats your boat, then so be that as well.
You can't follow a simple conversation, we're talking about METHOD of ex=
ecution, not if execution is right in the first place.

But if you want to change the subject, the vast majority are guilty. An=
d locking someone up for a decade or two when they're innocent is just a=
s bad.

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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-penalty-oklahoma-votes-to-execute-prisoners-by-asphyxiating-them-with-nitrogen-10113454.html
Politicians say it is cheap and humane
Politicians in the state of Oklahoma have come up with a new and
largely untested way to execute death row prisoners – asphyxiation
with nitrogen.
After the US Supreme Court put on hold the execution of three inmates
due killed by lethal injection and amid an ongoing struggle to obtain
the drugs used in the injection, politicians voted
overwhelmingly to
allow nitrogen be used.
State Representative Mike Christian, a Republican who sponsored the
bill, claimed the process would be both painless for inmates and
affordable for Oklahoma.
Suffocation by vacuum would do the same job, quicker and most
importantly far cheaper.
The cheapest method would be to simply seal the chamber airtight and let
nature take its course, with speed governed largely by the capacity of
the chamber. But it could be a very slow business.
The increases CO2 would make the experience very distressing and
uncomfortable, and take a very long time.
Oh dear, the hardened criminal is uncomfortable. SO!?
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I don't have the comparative cost figures (let me stress that), but
evacuating a chamber completely in order to create a vacuum is
difficult. It may well be cheaper to replace the ground-level atmosphere
with nitrogen. The chamber needn't be able to withstand the forces of
the atmosphere pressing in on an evacuated vessel for a start.
Again partial evacuation would take a long time.
I have thought in the past that displacing oxygen with nitrogen would be
such a painless way to go. The body wouldn't react to the lack of
oxygen, apart from inducing coma. And less stressful for those involved.
Wouldn't you panic and be very short of breath, like getting trapped
underwater?
No, shortness of breath is caused by an increase in CO2, not a decrease
in O2.
I don't believe you.
<shrug/>
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We can't be that stupid.
You can. Check your last comment. For the rest of us, it's not a
matter of cognition.
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If we have insufficient oxygen, we'd try harder to breath.
Breathing harder in this case is a reflex triggered by the CO2 level in
the blood.
Lack of oxygen and you'd want to breath, consciously or not.
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In fact why not trap people underwater?
Because people would hold their breath, which would cause panic, and
some would die from dry drowning in which the bronchia spasm and close.
But they'd die right? Which is the purpose of the exercise.
If that's what floats your boat.
The hint is in the word "execution".
Here's another hint: the words, often unspoken, that follow the word
"execution": "of the innocent." The stench of those three words clings
to the word "execution" like the smell of burning flesh at a botched
electrocution.
If you can't smell it, so be it.
If gloating about handing the state the power to kill its citizens
floats your boat, then so be that as well.
You can't follow a simple conversation, we're talking about METHOD of
execution, not if execution is right in the first place.
You, on the other hand, have no trouble compartmentalizing the two.
It's hard to do, actually. Unless you're a sociopath.
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But if you want to change the subject, the vast majority are guilty.
And that justifies killing the innocent? Seems difficult to justify.
Unless you're a sociopath.
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And locking someone up for a decade or two when they're innocent is just
as bad.
So says someone not facing execution.
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
Hell, give them a lethal injection fit for a king: 1000 mg of morphine and
750 mg of cocaine!

http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/12/14/the-secret-euthanasia-of-king-george-v/

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/28/world/1936-secret-is-out-doctor-sped-george-v-s-death.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-11-28/news/mn-15949_1_mercy-killing

http://medicalhistory.blogspot.com/2012/08/george-v-mercy-or-convenience.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Dawson,_1st_Viscount_Dawson_of_Penn

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/another_death_in_the_family
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They lose conciousness slowly , like those on a plane
Hell, give them a lethal injection fit for a king: 1000 mg of morphine and
750 mg of cocaine!
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/12/14/the-secret-euthanasia-of-king-george-v/
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/28/world/1936-secret-is-out-doctor-sped-george-v-s-death.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-11-28/news/mn-15949_1_mercy-killing
http://medicalhistory.blogspot.com/2012/08/george-v-mercy-or-convenience.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Dawson,_1st_Viscount_Dawson_of_Penn
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/another_death_in_the_family
I guess these loon's do'nt no nitro is one of the main ingredience in
nitrogliserin! I hope they let the witnisses wear ear plug's when the
prisoner blow's up! LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!
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I guess these loon's do'nt no nitro is one of the main ingredience in
nitrogliserin! I hope they let the witnisses wear ear plug's when the
prisoner blow's up! LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!
...I have no words....
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I guess these loon's do'nt no nitro is one of the main ingredience in
nitrogliserin! I hope they let the witnisses wear ear plug's when the
prisoner blow's up! LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!
...I have no words....
Does he know almost 80% of the air he breathes is also, he could blow up
at any moment!
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Hell, give them a lethal injection fit for a king: 1000 mg of morphine and
750 mg of cocaine!
Give them an execution fit for a murderer, rapist, terrorist, or whatever
they got the death sentence for:

Stuff the prisoner like a turkey. Give them 5 kg of morphine and
5 kg of cocaine (or whatever drugs they got caught with, whichever
is more) orally, then put them in a coffin and nail it shut.
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Stuff the prisoner like a turkey. Give them 5 kg of morphine and 5 kg of
cocaine (or whatever drugs they got caught with
Wow, that would be the trip of a lifetime. Too bad it can only be done
once...
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